This is the Future

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However, rational powers of the soul — abstract thought — are immaterial powers. They are not caused by matter, although material processes, such as wakefulness, normal physiology, vision, imagination, etc., are necessary for normal expression of immaterial abstract thought. In the Thomistic understanding, material powers “present” information to the immaterial rational aspect of the soul, which abstracts the intelligible species (immaterial form) from the matter and comprehends it.
In light of this Thomistic understanding of the soul, the abilities that Tatiana and Krista share are the material powers of the brain, which we expect them to share, because they share brain matter. What they don’t appear to share is the immaterial aspect of the soul — reasoning in an abstract sense, and personal identity, individuality, etc. They are separate souls who share some material brain tissue, and thus share some material powers of the mind. They do not share immaterial powers of the mind, because immaterial powers can’t be shared, because immaterial powers aren’t material things that can be common to two people.
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A similar phenomenon was noted by Wilder Penfield, who was the pioneering neurosurgeon who started the discipline of epilepsy surgery. He noted that while operating on conscious patients he could stimulate many sensory and motor aspects of brain function, but he couldn’t stimulate or ablate that patient’s sense of self or experience of unitary existence. There was, Penfield noted, as aspect of the mind that he couldn’t reach, that remained beyond his surgical instruments. This has certainly been my experience as a neurosurgeon as well.
 
Well, then they'd know that I am truly what i say I am, a wicked sinner who trusts in the grace of Jesus Christ as his only hope.
 
It could happen. They were working on it as far back as 1955.


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This will be used for nefarious purposes one day. The technology is probably still a good 15-20 years away, but it’s coming.
Algorithm lets scientists 'read' your thoughts by decoding brain scans
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11350005/ Algorithm-lets-scientists-read-thoughts-decoding-brain-scans.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead
i started a thread here and on another place about how MRI and brain scans were helping researchers learn more about structural anomalies in the brain that cause schizophrenia ...they got ignored.... not many were ready to give up the superstions that hearing voices is sign of demon possession...... .

i have had brain scans and MRI done...and in my case it both documented a reason for what was happening or not happening... why my brain tells me i;m hearing and seeing things that are not there.... ..it helped the people around me understand what was happening... and it also helped my doctor figure out which meds would be useful and which ones would not be... and gave me a better understanding of myself.... that was the most beneficial part....

but if they ever figure out a way to see for themselves what is actually in my head and not just why it;s there... they are going to need to go on meds themselves... and maybe even a few rounds of psycho-therapy.... ...

but i think you are right.... there are those out there that will use this kind of technology for nothing but nefarious purposes. ... ...who was it that said the road to hell is paved with good intentions?..... .
 
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i started a thread here and on another place about how MRI and brain scans were helping researchers learn more about structural anomalies in the brain that cause schizophrenia ...they got ignored.... not many were ready to give up the superstions that hearing voices is sign of demon possession...... .

i have had brain scans and MRI done...and in my case it both documented a reason for what was happening or not happening... why my brain tells me i;m hearing and seeing things that are not there.... ..it helped the people around me understand what was happening... and it also helped my doctor figure out which meds would be useful and which ones would not be... and gave me a better understanding of myself.... that was the most beneficial part....

but if they ever figure out a way to see for themselves what is actually in my head and not just why it;s there... they are going to need to go on meds... and maybe even a few rounds of psycho-therapy.... ...

but i think you are right.... there are those out there that will use this kind of technology for nothing but nefarious purposes. ... ...who was it that said the road to hell is paved with good intentions?..... .
I’ve done a little research on schizophrenia, but I’m no expert by any means. I’m curious, have meds helped you overcome the voices/visions? You mentioned many people think of demonic possession. I recall in a psychology class the professor (whom I believe was non-Christian) saying that there have been some rare documented cases he’s been involved with in which they couldn’t attribute to a case to anything physical or psychological and he doesn’t conclusively rule out possession, although he stops short of saying it is.
 
I’ve done a little research on schizophrenia, but I’m no expert by any means. I’m curious, have meds helped you overcome the voices/visions? You mentioned many people think of demonic possession. I recall in a psychology class the professor (whom I believe was non-Christian) saying that there have been some rare documented cases he’s been involved with in which they couldn’t attribute to a case to anything physical or psychological and he doesn’t conclusively rule out possession, although he stops short of saying it is.
for me the meds have never eliminated the symptoms of schizophrenia.... but they do soften them some what... at best it helps me deal with them and gives me a chance to handle the symptoms..... rather then allowing the symptoms to handle me....but they all come with side effects..... i have many other things i do as well ..and resources not related to meds that help..

i can;t speak for all schizophrenics... but with me... and others like me.. it;s not demons... it;s anomalies in brain structure related to prolonged trauma and sexual abuse in early childhood... from age 5 to age 9....my doctors have said some parts of my normal emotional development stopped dead in it;s tracks at age 5... with brain development related to that also being effected... ..

it sounds simple enough and is easy to say... and i understand the basics of it... but i don;t understand what it actually means or how to deal with it.... and i have tried to since i was teenager. .... i do however understand that it;s a part of schizophrenia no amount of medicines can help or reverse.... .so if this new mind reading technology could somehow help me with that then it;s something i would be grateful for... but like you say i can also see how it could be used as a trap...

there is much more... that;s just a small part of what is effected by the structural anomalies... .. it;s all documented in my brain scans and MRIs... which they couldn;t even do when i was first diagnosed.... so they made some errors back then... had some bad results... ... but that;s how medical knowledge progresses... ..i am actually doing better with it now than i ever have before.....
 
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I think they already made a movie about this - Minority Report.
a very enjoyable movie.... until you realize the government would actually do something like that if they could..... ..i could have done without the rotten sandwich in the refrigerator scene though.. ....i don;t get grossed out by movie scenes very often but for some reason that one did it... ...must have been something in my popcorn that day..... :confused:
 
Just because it can’t be done today doesn’t mean it can’t be done in the future. (I hope it can never be done.)
The point is that the mind is not a product of the brain. Tatiana and Krista share a brain, but they can't read each others' thoughts.

The woman I'm dating has a 28 year old daughter who is a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. There is a voice speaking to her constantly. just as John Nash was constantly aware of his visitors. Medication helps with her psychosis. She's on Clozapine. But not enough to silence the voice that they call her P.O.S.

The thing is, that her P.O.S. is an intelligence distinct and separate from her own.

There is a relationship between the body and the soul that no one completely understands. Life does not consist of the matter of our bodies, but the life in the body, and the condition of the body affect one another. One's spirit can be released by any number of violent means. So, there is a material aspect of life and intelligence.

The fact that some medicine, such as Clozapine, can relieve some symptoms,, and others, such as Meth or LSD can amplify others, is not to say that the separate and individual intelligence(s) are not the sole product of a spirit or spirits.

Christians are given the Spirit of a sound mind.
 
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Is it your contention that the mind is part of the soul? I think you’re confusing the “intellect” of the soul with the physical mind. I do understand the Catholic philosophical premise on this matter, as well as their borrowing of it from Plato.
 
a very enjoyable movie.... until you realize the government would actually do something like that if they could..... ..i could have done without the rotten sandwich in the refrigerator scene though.. ....i don;t get grossed out by movie scenes very often but for some reason that one did it... ...must have been something in my popcorn that day..... :confused:
That's not coming to mind right now. I'll have to check that out...... or maybe I shouldn't.
 
Is it your contention that the mind is part of the soul? I think you’re confusing the “intellect” of the soul with the physical mind. I do understand the Catholic philosophical premise on this matter, as well as their borrowing of it from Plato.
We're told not to fear them that can destroy the body, but not the soul. When John Hus was burned at the stake, was his mind destroyed?
 
Ah, c'mon! It's a great scene! Definitely worth the "gag" factor invovled! :)
and then to add insult to injury the cops show was playing the "bad boys" theme on the screen behind him... and his face was front and center..... "whatcha gonna do when they come for you?".... ....he couldn;t even say at least he had a decent snack before they catch him and haul him in.....
 
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