The Star of Bethlehem

What was the Star of Bethlehem?

  • A true astronomical event, i.e. something observed in the alignment of the heavenly bodies?

    Votes: 3 75.0%
  • A special miracle. Explain.

    Votes: 2 50.0%

  • Total voters
    4

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I believe it was a true astronomical event. I don't really worry about it, but my interest was piqued when I came across Rick Larson's DVD in 2007 at Sam's Club. I chanced it for 8 bucks. He really has an interesting presentation, and it's worthwhile watching. Using astronomy software, he rolls back the skies to 2 or 3 B.C. (believing the 1 B.C. date for the death of Herod to be the accurate one, and presents some rather spectacular astronomical events.


I think some of his assumptions questionable, and I'm not convinced of his conclusions. (I'm not convinced of their refutation either.) But he presents some very remarkable things. And it's just fun to watch and think about. (Great music, too.)

A frequent work often mentioned by Larson's critics is the book, The Star of Bethlehem: The Legacy of the Magi, by Michael R. Molnar. I bought the book and read it. Instead of a spectacular display, he presents an astrologically significant event in Aries (Judea's astrological sign according to the Greeks) signifying the birth of an inconquerable and divine ruler. Molnar accepts the 4 B.C. date for the death of Herod. Not quite as fun to read, but still fascinating.

The Legacy of the Magi
 
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I feel like we’ve been down this road before. I said God can use natural phenomena for His supernatural purposes. If I recall correctly, you vehemently disagreed. I guess the ocean tide has turned….
 
In college years ago, I did a paper on this subject. Whether it was a real, miraculous event, or something that happened by chance, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that the Bible makes reference to it, as do other texts. Yes, I agree that it's an interesting subject and the things that Ekklesian brought to light I have read from other authors.
 
I feel like we’ve been down this road before. I said God can use natural phenomena for His supernatural purposes. If I recall correctly, you vehemently disagreed. I guess the ocean tide has turned….
No tide has turned, you just aren't recalling correctly.
 
Just clarifying...my opinion that the star was a natural stellar event is not saying that it was a random event that God commandeered. It was built in to nature for that purpose. Ordained. Written on the celestial calendar, so to speak.
 
The primary difference between the views of Larson and Molnar is that Larson looked for spectacular stellar events, and Molnar looked for events that would have been significant to the astrologers at the turn of the First Century. The climax of Larson's presentation is the "Starry Dance." Molnar's is a horoscope in which Judea's regal portents depict the birth of a divine and unconquerable ruler.

Both Larson and Molnar conclude the Star of Bethlehem was Jupiter, and both interpret the phrase, stood over the place, as a phase in Jupiter's retrograde motion. (Jupiter was stationary for about a week before it was seen to move backwards.) But their agreement ends there.

Larson assumes, not arbitrarily, that Herod died in 1 B.C. Molnar adheres to the opinion of scholars that Herod died in 4 B.C. This is important for the timing of the star. The following is a brief review of the conclusions and reasoning of each.

Larson : Astrological symbol for Judea is Leo, based on prophecies likening Judah to a lion.

Molnar : Astrological symbol for Judea is Aries, based on the astrological method of assigning symbols.

Larson: Jupiter and Regulus are regal stars based on astrology. In the year that Larson assumes to be the year of Christ's birth, Jupiter circles, or "crowns" Regulus, the brightest star in Leo, three times before moving on. Jupiter, being the "king planet" would be the one to watch.

Molnar: Jupiter and Regulus are regal stars based on astrology, but we're looking at the skies four to five years earlier. Not only that, we're not looking for spectacular stellar events, but astrologically significant events. This is where I say you're just going to have to buy the book to get a satisfying explanation. Ancient astrology was sophisticated and arcane, and thus, though Molnar took pains to make it accessible to the uninitiated, I found it very difficult to follow.

It's not as simple as seeing something happen in the constellation Aries, it's also how Aries relates to the other constellations in its Trine, Leo and Sagitarius; the positions and behaviors of the Trine's rulers, the sun, Jupiter, Saturn; and the positions and behaviors of their attendants, the moon and the other planets. All this and more was, in addition, viewed in relation to the Cardinal Points, the Ascendant, the Midheaven, the Descendant, and the anti-Midheaven. There's even more, but you get the picture.

Briefly summed up, Judea's regal portents were satisfied in such a way to signify that the ruler then born was an unconquerable, divine ruler worthy of worship. This would indeed be the sign of a birth of world-wide significance, yet would have been noticed only by astrologers.

Jupiter, being the regal planet in this horoscope, would be the one to watch.

Larson: ...we have seen his star in the east. The Magi were in the east when they saw Jupiter. When Jupiter set, viewed from Babylon, it's position on the horizon was directly above Judea. So the Magi knew to go to Jerusalem.

Molnar: ...we have seen his star in the east. The Magi are refering to heliacal rising of Jupiter. It rose in the east just before the sun in the constellation Aries.

Larson: ...went before them.The Magi were in Jerusalem when they inquired concerning the king of the Jews. Now they had to look south to see Jupiter, and literally followed it south to Bethlehem.

Molnar: ...went before them. "The word proegen, ('Went before') is related to the astrological term proegeseis, which indeed means 'to go before' or, more precisely, 'to go in the same direction as the sky moves.' A planet goes in the same direction as the sky when it reverses it's eastward motion through the zodiac and proceeds in the same westward direction in which the sky rotates. The ancient Greeks perceived the 'normal' direction for a planet as the direction of the sky's movement. Today, however, astonomers reverse this concept: they think of movement in the direction of the sky as backwards movement, and call it retrograde motion." So the Magi weren't literally following the star. They knew to go to Jerusalem because of the horoscope.

Larson: ...till it came and stood over where the young child was. The star became stationary over the place. Larson didn't suggest calculating a ground point. He suggested that optically, it appeared to be over the place, just like it appeared to set in Judea when viewed from Babylon.

Molnar: ...till it came and stood over where the young child was. This is the message an astrologer would get reading Matthew 2:9, And behold, the planet which they had seen at its heliacal rising went retrograde and became stationary above in the sky (which showed) where the child was. Molnar did not suggest calculating a ground point either. His take is simply that the star became stationary in the sky, and that the sky showed them by the horoscope (not Jupiter alone) where the child was born.

All in all, a very interesting little study.

But Larson presents some other cool things too. Using his date, the sun is in Virgo with a new moon "at her feet." He believes this has something to do with Rev. 12:1.

Then Larson fast forwards the stars to the date of Christ's death, and Virgo is again "clothed with the sun" with a blood moon at her feet. This is a lunar eclipse, so he places his reference point on the moon looking toward the sun. From the moon, the sun appears in Aries, right where the heart would be (if the drawing is accurate *Molnar made a point about the way the Greeks reckoned the drawings of the zodiac), and at 3 in the afternoon, the time of Christ's death, the earth then blanks out the sun, or snuff's out the heart of the "sacrificial" Ram. But then who was watching from the moon?

If his dates are correct, and if he's interpreting the stars correctly, he puts the Magi's visit to Christ at December 25, A.D. 2.
 
I agree, Ekkleisan. It is indeed a very interesting study. There are many historical events in the Bible that are equally amazing and interesting. One of my favorites is the study on the ten plagues of Egypt during the time of the Exodus!
 
A secular source made this observation which I thought was quite astute: Whatever the phenomena was, the astrologers from the east picked up on it but the Jews to whom the sign was given, largely failed to notice.
 
That is typical. Romans 10. The Gentiles get it, Israel is a disobedient and contrary people.
 
I can explain the star in my living room, though. My daughter moved in with me, so I put up an actual tree...well...actual artificial tree. Last year I hung lights and tinsel on the bikes hanging on the wall.

But for a topper, nothing in the xmas aisles would do. Leaving Hobby Lobby, I spied an acrylic sunburst on the shelves. I bought it, drilled a hole through one of the rays, and used 12lb test monofilament line to suspend it from the ceiling.

But at night, it could hardly be seen. So I bought a miniature LED spot from amazon, mounted it in the top of the tree and focused it on the star. I must say it turned out a little better than I expected. When the furnace is blowing the star slowly rotates, and the bright spots travel up and down the rays. The daughter was impressed, so mission accomplished. 😁

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I can tell you’re a guy who is used to fishing for the little dinks.
Crappie and bass are what I'm after when I go fishing. But I won't release the occasional pan-sized blue gill or sunfish. I fish with an ultralight rod and reel and use 6lb test.
 
Crappie and bass are what I'm after when I go fishing. But I won't release the occasional pan-sized blue gill or sunfish. I fish with an ultralight rod and reel and use 6lb test.
We grow ‘em big in Florida. I’ve caught bass in the 10 pound range.
 
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