The Negative Things That I Learned

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While at HAC I'm sure that most of us heard or observed things with which we did not agree.  Maybe you agreed with it while a student, but as time has passed you now have a problem with it.  So here's your chance.  What is the negative things that you learned?

*As always, one post per item learned.  It's all about the numbers, baby!! :)
 
"I will not use my people to build my work; I will use my work to build my people." 

Sorry, but that was NOT the lesson that came across to the students.
 
I am much more thorough in presenting the plan of salvation today because of what I saw.
 
CONSPIRATOR said:
"I will not use my people to build my work; I will use my work to build my people." 

Sorry, but that was NOT the lesson that came across to the students.
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The same w/ we don't worship the man.
The same w/ put your family above your ministry.
The same w/ ....................................
 
CONSPIRATOR said:
"I will not use my people to build my work; I will use my work to build my people." 

Sorry, but that was NOT the lesson that came across to the students.
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Funny, but that was the same idea that came to me when I first saw this thread.  I remember taking a class from Joe Combs in the room that had that saying engraved on a board that stretched across the wall.  A portion of that class was teaching us to compose these quips and quotable sayings.  About the same time, Dave Hyles was teaching us about "philosophies" in Church Ed.  Years later, after HAC, I distinctly remember looking over my notes and remembering that quote and thinking, "that is what it was, just an empty quote that sounded good and could sell a book, but not meant to be put in practice."

The sentiment is positive, and in actuality probably good advice.  The Negative teaching was to hypocritically say lines like that designed to appease the masses.  Say what you must to get what you need.  <shakes head>  Pity.
 
The size of your bus route is a measure of your spirituality.

I didn't believe that garbage back then, and I don't believe it now.
 
Vince Massi said:
The size of your bus route is a measure of your spirituality.

I didn't believe that garbage back then, and I don't believe it now.
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There is a great book out there called Liberating Ministry from the Success Syndrome by R. Kent Hughes.
 
'I'll answer that question in a minute, but first may I pray with you?'

Anishinabe

 
I, like most of you, was caught up in the "if you are doing what you ought to do you will have numbers to show it" mentality.
 
We were taught that we weren't accredited because we were too good to meet the government standards.  HAH!
 
Vince Massi said:
We were taught that we weren't accredited because we were too good to meet the government standards.  HAH!
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They weren't accredited because they were an IFB college training full time IFB people to work in IFB ministries.  Why do you need to be accredited to do that?
 
RAIDER said:
Vince Massi said:
We were taught that we weren't accredited because we were too good to meet the government standards.  HAH!
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They weren't accredited because they were an IFB college training full time IFB people to work in IFB ministries.  Why do you need to be accredited to do that?
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You are exactly right Radar. When they first started it was a school for training preachers and full-time workers for ifb churches. No accreditation is needed. However, I really think that a lot of these ifb colleges start out thinking that way and then discover how much money it actually takes to run a college. In order to get more money you need to attract more students. In order to attract more students you start teaching that everyone should go to hac or a Bible college for at least a year and then start preaching to them about being quitters. Most do not want to be known as quitters so they stick it out and later find out that you are not cut out to teach in a Christian school for 12,000.00 a year or that your interest lie in other areas and then you find out that your degree is not really looked upon with favor by a lot of other educational institutions. I think a lot of people become bitter and disillusioned because of this.

But, what the hey? We all got a chance to work in ministries that many of us would have never dreamed of! I met so many older men who had literally given everything they had to go to hac and pursue a dream of being in the ministry even though I knew many of them were not cut out for it. Myself included here. Nobody can ever take away what we felt and dreamed about. (kind of like Woodstock in the 1960's)
 
They weren't accredited because they were an IFB college training full time IFB people to work in IFB ministries.  Why do you need to be accredited to do that?
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Because if you're accredited, you have to meet the moral standards of government schools, such as:

1) Accurate student records must be kept
2) Violent crime is not permitted
3) Abuse of students by staff members is not permitted

HAC didn't have what it takes to meet those standards.
 
Vince Massi said:
Because if you're accredited, you have to meet the moral standards of government schools, such as:

1) Accurate student records must be kept
2) Violent crime is not permitted
3) Abuse of students by staff members is not permitted

HAC didn't have what it takes to meet those standards.
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And you believe that every accredited institution has those same standards?  Foolish.....
 
qwerty said:
Vince Massi said:
Because if you're accredited, you have to meet the moral standards of government schools, such as:

1) Accurate student records must be kept
2) Violent crime is not permitted
3) Abuse of students by staff members is not permitted

HAC didn't have what it takes to meet those standards.
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And you believe that every accredited institution has those same standards?  Foolish.....
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What he said.
 
PappaBear said:
CONSPIRATOR said:
"I will not use my people to build my work; I will use my work to build my people." 

Sorry, but that was NOT the lesson that came across to the students.
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Funny, but that was the same idea that came to me when I first saw this thread.  I remember taking a class from Joe Combs in the room that had that saying engraved on a board that stretched across the wall.  A portion of that class was teaching us to compose these quips and quotable sayings.  About the same time, Dave Hyles was teaching us about "philosophies" in Church Ed.  Years later, after HAC, I distinctly remember looking over my notes and remembering that quote and thinking, "that is what it was, just an empty quote that sounded good and could sell a book, but not meant to be put in practice."

The sentiment is positive, and in actuality probably good advice.  The Negative teaching was to hypocritically say lines like that designed to appease the masses.  Say what you must to get what you need.  <shakes head>  Pity.
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The problem is even more then that...the people are not the pastor's nor is the church the pastor's.  They belong to God and His they are. 
 
That if I wore dresses all the time the Lord would love me more. Also heard them teach if you wore dresses all the time, the Lord would use you more!
 
The negative I learned...

Never trust anyone who claims spiritual authority.
 
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