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Wow the pre-trib rapture is "heresy"...really?  It is a "false doctrine"...really?  And you are going to bring it down...you who worship a translation of the Bible...you who don't believe in repentance unto salvation...really?  I might not agree with A-mill or those who hold to different views of eschotalogy...but would hardly call the heretics.  I consider this an in-house debate...but I would expect no less from the Spammer who is clearly ignorant of truth.

The Pre-trib Rapture will be Defeated
 
I believe 2 Thessalonians 1: 4-10 clearly shows that there is a distinction between the tribulation by men and the tribulation that God will reign down on a world with flaming fire on "those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ."  The context of 1 Thess 5 is the "day of the Lord" and verse 9 says that God did not appoint us to wrath but that we should comfort and build up each other with the fact that we aren't appointed to wrath (v.11).  What kind of "comfort" is there in watching for tribulation such as the world has never seen instead of Christ which is our "blessed hope" (Titus 2:13). 

The Tribulation described in Revelation is not a time of purification for the Church but the time of Jacob's trouble. ~ Jeremiah 30:8

Revelation 6:15-17  And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:  17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The pre-trib rapture isn't something invented by Scofield but has been taught down through church history:

Victorinus (died 303 A.D)
Ephraem of Nisbis (306-373)
Increase Mather (1639-1723)
John Gill (1748) in his notes on 1 Thess 4
Morgan Edwards (1742-1744)

If all you are looking forward to is tribulation, that's fine.  I'm looking for the Savior who will return and set up His kingdom without human effort and bring peace to a sin sick world.

 
 
The pre-trib rapture is false doctrine.  The chronology of future events is laid out quite plainly in Matthew 24, and illustrates that the rapture occurs during the ONE and ONLY return of our Lord.  And that happens sometime after the great tribulation is cut short.  How short is something we cannot know, hence the fact that we do not know the day or hour of his return.  We are not spared tribulation -- not even great tribulation.  But we are not appointed to wrath, and wrath is what follows the return of our Lord. 

 
Don't agree with the interpretation concerning there is not the coming of the Lord for His saints and the coming of the Lord in His 2nd Coming.  Regardless I would not call it heretical to believe differently or even the category of "false doctrine"...again this is an in-house debate and actually all the views fit within the pale of orthodoxy.  We need to be careful in our zeal for our position to not label our brothers as heretics when the label does not apply.
 
T-Bone said:
Don't agree with the interpretation concerning there is not the coming of the Lord for His saints and the coming of the Lord in His 2nd Coming.  Regardless I would not call it heretical to believe differently or even the category of "false doctrine"...again this is an in-house debate and actually all the views fit within the pale of orthodoxy.  We need to be careful in our zeal for our position to not label our brothers as heretics when the label does not apply.
You are absolutely correct.  Christians may disagree on this teaching without being heretics.  However, to reject the canon of scripture is heresy and that is exactly what Castor Muscular does.  One can't discuss doctrine with such a person.  He needs to go to the unbelievers forum.
 
biscuit1953 said:
T-Bone said:
Don't agree with the interpretation concerning there is not the coming of the Lord for His saints and the coming of the Lord in His 2nd Coming.  Regardless I would not call it heretical to believe differently or even the category of "false doctrine"...again this is an in-house debate and actually all the views fit within the pale of orthodoxy.  We need to be careful in our zeal for our position to not label our brothers as heretics when the label does not apply.
You are absolutely correct.  Christians may disagree on this teaching without being heretics.  However, to reject the canon of scripture is heresy and that is exactly what Castor Muscular does.  One can't discuss doctrine with such a person.  He needs to go to the unbelievers forum.

I haven't seen that in his post...ie a rejection of Scriptural Canon...can you post his statements or refer me to them?
 
T-Bone said:
Don't agree with the interpretation concerning there is not the coming of the Lord for His saints and the coming of the Lord in His 2nd Coming.  Regardless I would not call it heretical to believe differently or even the category of "false doctrine"...again this is an in-house debate and actually all the views fit within the pale of orthodoxy.  We need to be careful in our zeal for our position to not label our brothers as heretics when the label does not apply.

Yeah, I shouldn't have said it was false doctrine.  False interpretation, maybe.
 
T-Bone said:
biscuit1953 said:
T-Bone said:
Don't agree with the interpretation concerning there is not the coming of the Lord for His saints and the coming of the Lord in His 2nd Coming.  Regardless I would not call it heretical to believe differently or even the category of "false doctrine"...again this is an in-house debate and actually all the views fit within the pale of orthodoxy.  We need to be careful in our zeal for our position to not label our brothers as heretics when the label does not apply.
You are absolutely correct.  Christians may disagree on this teaching without being heretics.  However, to reject the canon of scripture is heresy and that is exactly what Castor Muscular does.  One can't discuss doctrine with such a person.  He needs to go to the unbelievers forum.

I haven't seen that in his post...ie a rejection of Scriptural Canon...can you post his statements or refer me to them?
The "Spiritual Fences" thread post #13
 
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