Scriptural Discussion - Acts 3:1

[RAIDER]

Acts 3:1
"Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour."

The Day of Pentecost had taken place in Acts 2.  3000 were added unto the church.  Acts 3 opens up with Peter and John going up to the temple at the hour of prayer.  With a quick reading it would make one think that Peter and John were still following the OT law.

What think ye?

 

[Tennessean]

Acts 3:1
"Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour."

The Day of Pentecost had taken place in Acts 2.  3000 were added unto the church.  Acts 3 opens up with Peter and John going up to the temple at the hour of prayer.  With a quick reading it would make one think that Peter and John were still following the OT law.

I would opine that they were simply going soul-winning. Hey they knew that religious people would be at the temple at that hour.

What think ye?

 

[RAIDER]

Acts 3:1
"Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour."

The Day of Pentecost had taken place in Acts 2.  3000 were added unto the church.  Acts 3 opens up with Peter and John going up to the temple at the hour of prayer.  With a quick reading it would make one think that Peter and John were still following the OT law.

I would opine that they were simply going soul-winning. Hey they knew that religious people would be at the temple at that hour.

What think ye?

The more I read the first few chapters of Acts the more I think the apostles were still preaching a "kingdom gospel".  It seems that they were still calling for the national repentance of Israel that was needed for this to happen.

 

[prophet]

Acts 3:1
"Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour."

The Day of Pentecost had taken place in Acts 2.  3000 were added unto the church.  Acts 3 opens up with Peter and John going up to the temple at the hour of prayer.  With a quick reading it would make one think that Peter and John were still following the OT law.

I would opine that they were simply going soul-winning. Hey they knew that religious people would be at the temple at that hour.

What think ye?

The more I read the first few chapters of Acts the more I think the apostles were still preaching a "kingdom gospel".  It seems that they were still calling for the national repentance of Israel that was needed for this to happen.

Hebrews was written to solve that misconception.

Of course, you could misapply Hebrews to the Church, instead of the saved individuals a race of people caught between the still standing God appointed Priests, and the High Priest that they were supposed to be representing.
Then, such admonitions to obey those that have the rule over you, and forsake not the assembling of yourselves, etc, take on an entirely different meaning.

Notice that even though Paul opposed Peter, when it came to demanding that Gentiles keep the Law, still Paul obeyed the Law and kept the ceremony when he went to Jerusalem.

I dont see national repentance of Israel as ever the goal of Jesus and His followers, or else why would He have said this? :

Mar 4:11-12
11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God:but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

He was after individual sheep, of Israel, not the Nation.

Here is another pronunciation of this:

Mat 23:33-39
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes:and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

This is why I can't buy into Dispy Dividing, though most of it is sound, in this they are far away.

 

[IFB X-Files]

The more I read the first few chapters of Acts the more I think the apostles were still preaching a "kingdom gospel".  It seems that they were still calling for the national repentance of Israel that was needed for this to happen.

Well, you are aware that the book of Acts is transitional, they didn't use the same "1-2-3, pray after me" gospel till the Apostle John (R. Rice) wrote Hyles 3:16.

 

[RAIDER]

Acts 1:6
"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"

It seems like the apostles (as well as the nation of Israel) constantly had the kingdom on their mind.  Even after all the teaching of Jesus, even after his death, burial, and resurrection, the disciples are still on the "kingdom" thought pattern.

The apostles had been promised 12 thrones in the kingdom.  What did they do in the upper room while they waited?  They immediately chose a new apostle so there would be 12. 

It seems as if they thought that the nation of Israel could still repent and start ushering in the kingdom.

Acts 8:1
"And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles."

Notice how the apostles remained at Jerusalem instead of going to the other areas.  Do you think they were possibly thinking Jesus was going to return and set up the kingdom and they wanted to be there?  Just a thought!

 

[IFB X-Files]

Acts 1:6
"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"

It seems like the apostles (as well as the nation of Israel) constantly had the kingdom on their mind.  Even after all the teaching of Jesus, even after his death, burial, and resurrection, the disciples are still on the "kingdom" thought pattern.

The apostles had been promised 12 thrones in the kingdom.  What did they do in the upper room while they waited?  They immediately chose a new apostle so there would be 12. 

It seems as if they thought that the nation of Israel could still repent and start ushering in the kingdom.

Acts 8:1
"And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles."

Notice how the apostles remained at Jerusalem instead of going to the other areas.  Do you think they were possibly thinking Jesus was going to return and set up the kingdom and they wanted to be there?  Just a thought!

You are not far from the truth, my son.  It is the opinion of many that if Israel had accepted the gospel message given in the first of Acts, that the Lord could have returned then.  However, with the stoning of Stephen Israel rejects the message.  Some speculate this is why Stephen saw Jesus standing.  Of course, all speculation, but fun to ponder on.

 

[cpizzle]

Acts 3:1
"Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour."

The Day of Pentecost had taken place in Acts 2.  3000 were added unto the church.  Acts 3 opens up with Peter and John going up to the temple at the hour of prayer.  With a quick reading it would make one think that Peter and John were still following the OT law.

What think ye?

I think they were going to the Temple during the time of prayer because there would be a crowd of Jews to witness to.  In those days, they allowed different people to speak publically (Jesus did this often in the Temple.)  Also, at this time, they were still following certain tenants of Judaism as before.  They were years away from fully understanding the fulfillment of the law. 

It would be no different that someone being invited to share their faith at someone else's place of worship.  I would follow their traditions as best I could in order to not offend, but I would present the clear gospel as I believe it.  A few years ago, I preached a revival that consisted of Methodists, Cumberland Presbyterians, and a couple of Baptists (sitting in the back to ensure separation  )  I followed their traditions of worship but never compromised my message. 

 

[IFB X-Files]

Of course, all speculation, but fun to ponder on.

There will be no "pondering" of anything at HAC!  Demerits will be issued if you are caught!

 

[RAIDER]

You are not far from the truth, my son.  It is the opinion of many that if Israel had accepted the gospel message given in the first of Acts, that the Lord could have returned then.  However, with the stoning of Stephen Israel rejects the message.  Some speculate this is why Stephen saw Jesus standing.  Of course, all speculation, but fun to ponder on.

I think you are right on!

 

[prophet]

Acts 1:6
"When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"

It seems like the apostles (as well as the nation of Israel) constantly had the kingdom on their mind.  Even after all the teaching of Jesus, even after his death, burial, and resurrection, the disciples are still on the "kingdom" thought pattern.

The apostles had been promised 12 thrones in the kingdom.  What did they do in the upper room while they waited?  They immediately chose a new apostle so there would be 12. 

It seems as if they thought that the nation of Israel could still repent and start ushering in the kingdom.

Acts 8:1
"And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles."

Notice how the apostles remained at Jerusalem instead of going to the other areas.  Do you think they were possibly thinking Jesus was going to return and set up the kingdom and they wanted to be there?  Just a thought!

The Apostles thought one thing, and God planned another.

For instance: when they were told to get a sword, Peter thought they were going to rebel and overthrow Rome, and restore the Kingdom...that night in the Garden.

He was so frustrated, by the misunderstanding, that when Jesus restored the ear, he stormed off in frustration, followed from a distance, and was in so foul a mood that he swore up and down that he wasn't with Jesus...
He obviously, like so many of his generation, thought that the Eternal Earthly Kingdom would begin in his lifetime.

None of this means that God planned it to happen the way they hoped it would.
God carried out His actual plan, and it is still in play, today.

 

[Vince Massi]

It is my understanding that the Church's first mission after Pentecost was to Israel. The first sermon after Pentecost was preached to Jews. But Israel rejected this call.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=prophet]For instance: when they were told to get a sword, Peter thought they were going to rebel and overthrow Rome, and restore the Kingdom...that night in the Garden.

He was so frustrated, by the misunderstanding, that when Jesus restored the ear, he stormed off in frustration, followed from a distance, and was in so foul a mood that he swore up and down that he wasn't with Jesus...
He obviously, like so many of his generation, thought that the Eternal Earthly Kingdom would begin in his lifetime.[/quote]

Or he was scared for his life...

 

[prophet]

[quote author=prophet]For instance: when they were told to get a sword, Peter thought they were going to rebel and overthrow Rome, and restore the Kingdom...that night in the Garden.

He was so frustrated, by the misunderstanding, that when Jesus restored the ear, he stormed off in frustration, followed from a distance, and was in so foul a mood that he swore up and down that he wasn't with Jesus...
He obviously, like so many of his generation, thought that the Eternal Earthly Kingdom would begin in his lifetime.

Or he was scared for his life...
[/quote]
The rest of the disciples who were with Him, forsook Him and fled.
Peter followed afar off.

Here are my reasons, for suggesting that he was just frustrated and angry:

Recent events in Peter's life:
He answers correctly concerning the Messiah.
Mat 16:16-19
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona:for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

And this high comes crashing down to this low:

Mat 16:21-23
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord:this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan:thou art an offence unto me:for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

And launches Jesus into a sermon...

Then, the guy who just rebuked him for his ungodly thinking in pursuing the establishment of the earthly kingdom, tells him this:

Luk 22:36
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip:and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

And he thinks that the revolution is back on, until this:

Jn 18:10-11
10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.
11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath:the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

And, by now, Satan having desired him, to sift him, and having  been allowed, Peter is one bitter frustrated dude.
So he follows along, wondering what will happen, and if he will be left out of the revolution, and why Jesus keeps getting on his case...
Didn't seem scared, but rather ready to fight...

 

[Walt]

The more I read the first few chapters of Acts the more I think the apostles were still preaching a "kingdom gospel".  It seems that they were still calling for the national repentance of Israel that was needed for this to happen.

Well, you are aware that the book of Acts is transitional, they didn't use the same "1-2-3, pray after me" gospel till the Apostle John (R. Rice) wrote Hyles 3:16.

Sarcasm aside, it would be interesting to know how the IFB-standardized "sinner's prayer" came into being.  It's treated almost like a magic spell in some IFB churches.  Biblically, there is no such thing; each sinner prayed his own unique prayer, from "God be merciful to me a sinner" to "Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom".

 

[GeneFrenkle]

You are not far from the truth, my son.  It is the opinion of many that if Israel had accepted the gospel message given in the first of Acts, that the Lord could have returned then.  However, with the stoning of Stephen Israel rejects the message.  Some speculate this is why Stephen saw Jesus standing.  Of course, all speculation, but fun to ponder on.

I think you are right on!

Yup...spot on.  This is one of the reasons that the OT never alludes to the rapture: if there was no "Gentile" church, there would be no need for it before the Tribulation.  And the signs that are going to be happening during the Trib were happening in Acts 2.  I think that it's plausible that the Trib happens right away (but looks differently than the one John saw), the Millennium happens (Jewish, accepted kingdom), and the world ends before 1200AD.

This also answers the question of the confusion over whether or not John the Baptist was Elijah.

 

[prophet]

You are not far from the truth, my son.  It is the opinion of many that if Israel had accepted the gospel message given in the first of Acts, that the Lord could have returned then.  However, with the stoning of Stephen Israel rejects the message.  Some speculate this is why Stephen saw Jesus standing.  Of course, all speculation, but fun to ponder on.

I think you are right on!

Yup...spot on.  This is one of the reasons that the OT never alludes to the rapture: if there was no "Gentile" church, there would be no need for it before the Tribulation.  And the signs that are going to be happening during the Trib were happening in Acts 2.  I think that it's plausible that the Trib happens right away (but looks differently than the one John saw), the Millennium happens (Jewish, accepted kingdom), and the world ends before 1200AD.

This also answers the question of the confusion over whether or not John the Baptist was Elijah.

Or, maybe, the pre-trib rapture is pure made-up drivel?