Ruckmanism vs KJV Only

[RAIDER]

This topic is currently being touched upon in several different threads.  At least one individual claims that anyone who is KJV only is a Ruckmanite.  Others are claiming that there is a difference.  What think ye, Hacker Nation?

 

[Twisted]

I think there are at least 20 different definitions of what a "Ruckmanite" is.

I also think there are 20 different definitions for anyone who prefers the King James Bible.

 

[RAIDER]

There is no doubt that Jack Hyles changed his position on the KJV.  No one knows the exact reason.  Some say he used this as a way to take attention away from "the scandal".  Some say that he spent time being educated on the issue by Rolland Rasmussen.  When JH was questioned he said, "Some men grow; some men refuse to grow".  I believe this was his way of saying that he changed because of that which he felt he learned. 

JH never connected himself with Ruckmanism.  Because Ruckman was so loud and vocal on the issue, anyone who spoke in favor of the KJV was labeled a Ruckmanite.

 

[Twisted]

... anyone who spoke in favor of the KJV was labeled a Ruckmanite.

I guess the Apostle Paul was a Ruckmanite when he told Timothy that ALL the holy scripture he had learned since his childhood was inspired of God and seeing those scriptures were all copies.....

I'm sorry, I'm digressing from the OP.

I'll sit here and wait for the apostates BGW, Vinny and Smellin' to correct me.

 

[RAIDER]

... anyone who spoke in favor of the KJV was labeled a Ruckmanite.

I guess the Apostle Paul was a Ruckmanite when he told Timothy that ALL the holy scripture he had learned since his childhood was inspired of God and seeing those scriptures were all copies.....

I'm sorry, I'm digressing from the OP.

I'll sit here and wait for the apostates BGW, Vinny and Smellin' to correct me.

I believe we are all waiting for Vinny.  I'm not sure he can post without mentioning either Vineyard, The Roadhouse Gang, or Ruckman.

 

[sword]

Most Fundamentalist do not call themselves Ruckmanites because they disagree with him on many of his positions. Just because someone agrees with him on one issue does not make them a follower.

Some of his positions that many would disagree with include:
* His belief that abortion is wrong, but that it?s not murder.
* His position that a man can be divorced multiple times and still be qualified to be pastor.
* His position that a person is saved by different methods depending on the dispensation they are in.
* His multiple flood theory.
* His belief that God has called him to call out the errors among other fundamentalists.
* His belief in UFO and his theories regarding their impact throughout history.
* His position that we will travel from planet to planet during eternity.
* His belief that Demons take the form of flies and mosquitoes and stalk Christian on a regular basis.
* His position on the "advanced revelation" of the King James Bible.

For additional info, see his 143 books including Black Is Beautiful, The Two Raptures, Demons and Christians, The Unknown Bible, Problem Texts, and How to Teach Dispensational Truth.

 

[Twisted]

Most Fundamentalist do not call themselves Ruckmanites because they disagree with him on many of his positions. Just because someone agrees with him on one issue does not make them a follower.

Some of his positions that many would disagree with include:
* His belief that abortion is wrong, but that it?s not murder.
* His position that a man can be divorced multiple times and still be qualified to be pastor.
* His position that a person is saved by different methods depending on the dispensation they are in.
* His multiple flood theory.
* His belief that God has called him to call out the errors among other fundamentalists.
* His belief in UFO and his theories regarding their impact throughout history.
* His position that we will travel from planet to planet during eternity.
* His belief that Demons take the form of flies and mosquitoes and stalk Christian on a regular basis.
* His position on the "advanced revelation" of the King James Bible.

For additional info, see his 143 books including Black Is Beautiful, The Two Raptures, Demons and Christians, The Unknown Bible, Problem Texts, and How to Teach Dispensational Truth.

Your next-to-last one I've never heard of.  Got any reference for that.  (...SWAT...just killed a demon)

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Twisted, are you KJVO?

 

[Twisted]

Twisted, are you KJVO?

I own and have read many versions.

I only believe one.

I could lead a lost soul to Christ using a New World Translation.

I think God is more pleased with a believer reading and DOING what the NIV says, than someone who is KJVO and doesn't.

Does that help?

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

Jack Hyles wasn't a strong KJV advocate until after the 60s or 70s. Most fundamental Baptists weren't as staunch about the KJV until the 70s and 80s.

 

[Twisted]

Jack Hyles wasn't a strong KJV advocate until after the 60s or 70s. Most fundamental Baptists weren't as staunch about the KJV until the 70s and 80s.

While, IMO, Hyles was not until the 80's, the reason, weed boy, is that the stream of perversions didn't start coming out until the 60's.  The 1901 ASV never took off and everyone, except BGW and Smellin' and Vince, along with the National Council of Churches, had already rejected the RSV.

 

[RAIDER]

Jack Hyles wasn't a strong KJV advocate until after the 60s or 70s. Most fundamental Baptists weren't as staunch about the KJV until the 70s and 80s.

He wrote his Revelation commentary in 1967.  It is very much non-KJV only.  I graduated in 1983.  He was still correcting the KJV.

 

[16KJV11]

Jack Hyles wasn't a strong KJV advocate until after the 60s or 70s. Most fundamental Baptists weren't as staunch about the KJV until the 70s and 80s.

Truth, Some of Curtis Hutson's sermons have him quoting other versions!

 

[sword]

Most Fundamentalist do not call themselves Ruckmanites because they disagree with him on many of his positions. Just because someone agrees with him on one issue does not make them a follower.

Some of his positions that many would disagree with include:
* His belief that abortion is wrong, but that it?s not murder.
* His position that a man can be divorced multiple times and still be qualified to be pastor.
* His position that a person is saved by different methods depending on the dispensation they are in.
* His multiple flood theory.
* His belief that God has called him to call out the errors among other fundamentalists.
* His belief in UFO and his theories regarding their impact throughout history.
* His position that we will travel from planet to planet during eternity.
* His belief that Demons take the form of flies and mosquitoes and stalk Christian on a regular basis.
* His position on the "advanced revelation" of the King James Bible.

For additional info, see his 143 books including Black Is Beautiful, The Two Raptures, Demons and Christians, The Unknown Bible, Problem Texts, and How to Teach Dispensational Truth.

Your next-to-last one I've never heard of.  Got any reference for that.  (...SWAT...just killed a demon)

It was from one of his sermons, I think you can still order the tape.

Here's some more reading material.
http://www.rlhymersjr.com/Books/Ruckmanism/RuckmanismExposed_opt.pdf
http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Books_V/T%20H%20E%20RUCKMAN%20CONSPIRACY.pdf

 

[Twisted]

Most Fundamentalist do not call themselves Ruckmanites because they disagree with him on many of his positions. Just because someone agrees with him on one issue does not make them a follower.

Some of his positions that many would disagree with include:
* His belief that abortion is wrong, but that it?s not murder.
* His position that a man can be divorced multiple times and still be qualified to be pastor.
* His position that a person is saved by different methods depending on the dispensation they are in.
* His multiple flood theory.
* His belief that God has called him to call out the errors among other fundamentalists.
* His belief in UFO and his theories regarding their impact throughout history.
* His position that we will travel from planet to planet during eternity.
* His belief that Demons take the form of flies and mosquitoes and stalk Christian on a regular basis.
* His position on the "advanced revelation" of the King James Bible.

For additional info, see his 143 books including Black Is Beautiful, The Two Raptures, Demons and Christians, The Unknown Bible, Problem Texts, and How to Teach Dispensational Truth.

Your next-to-last one I've never heard of.  Got any reference for that.  (...SWAT...just killed a demon)

It was from one of his sermons, I think you can still order the tape.

Here's some more reading material.
http://www.rlhymersjr.com/Books/Ruckmanism/RuckmanismExposed_opt.pdf
http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Books_V/T%20H%20E%20RUCKMAN%20CONSPIRACY.pdf

Yeah, you can order a lot of tapes.  Need it narrowed down more than that.

As far as Hymers goes, have you ever spoken to that guy?  I called him several years ago and asked for his church address.  He refused to give it to me and demanded I call his deacon.  Totally weird.  Now that doesn't mean he's wrong about what he's written.

 

[Walt]

This topic is currently being touched upon in several different threads.  At least one individual claims that anyone who is KJV only is a Ruckmanite.  Others are claiming that there is a difference.  What think ye, Hacker Nation?

Much of this depends upon what one means by KJV only.

By definition, a Ruckmanite in general would be a follower of Ruckman - in relation to the KJV, calling it "inspired" and teaching that it is "advanced revelation" is being a Ruckmanite.

Most of the KJV-only people I know do NOT hold to that position -- they take the position that the KJV is a wonderful translation of the preserved text - the text that was in use down through the centuries.  Translations made from the critical text are regarded as non-trustworthy.  But none of this is Ruckman; this latter belief pre-dates Ruckman.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Twisted, are you KJVO?

I own and have read many versions.
I only believe one.

I could lead a lost soul to Christ using a New World Translation.

I think God is more pleased with a believer reading and DOING what the NIV says, than someone who is KJVO and doesn't.

Does that help?

If that was a no, it did help.
If it was a yes, I missed it! 

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

This topic is currently being touched upon in several different threads.  At least one individual claims that anyone who is KJV only is a Ruckmanite.  Others are claiming that there is a difference.  What think ye, Hacker Nation?

Much of this depends upon what one means by KJV only.

By definition, a Ruckmanite in general would be a follower of Ruckman - in relation to the KJV, calling it "inspired" and teaching that it is "advanced revelation" is being a Ruckmanite.

Most of the KJV-only people I know do NOT hold to that position -- they take the position that the KJV is a wonderful translation of the preserved text - the text that was in use down through the centuries.  Translations made from the critical text are regarded as non-trustworthy.  But none of this is Ruckman; this latter belief pre-dates Ruckman.

Where did that latter belief actually begin, Walt?
As to my study of the issue, it is a fairly recent (modern) view.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Jack Hyles wasn't a strong KJV advocate until after the 60s or 70s. Most fundamental Baptists weren't as staunch about the KJV until the 70s and 80s.

While, IMO, Hyles was not until the 80's, the reason, weed boy, is that the stream of perversions didn't start coming out until the 60's.  The 1901 ASV never took off and everyone, except BGW and Smellin' and Vince, along with the National Council of Churches, had already rejected the RSV.

I believe the reaction to the RSV, a horrible mistranslation, is behind much of  the recent KJVO 'hysteria'.
I also believe the lack of a scholarly defense of the KJVO position has made it synonymous with Ruckmanism in the eyes of many people.

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

"I'm not a Ruckmanite; I'm a mama-ite." Jack Hyles In reference to keeping with the KJV from which his mother taught him.