Obama Birth Cert a fake? Hit the CBS news, interesting.

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I've always thought it was fake. The two releases (short and long form) are at best.....obviously edited.

This doesn't mean that he wasn't born in the US. It just means that someone edited the documents. I don't know they are manufactured or not. Edited... Yes.

I kinda think that he was born somewhere else and it was made to look as if he was born in Hawaii soon after the fact. Just my penny. Even so, he was born to a US citizen. (his mother). Even if he was born outside the continental Unites States.... it doesn't mean that he wouldn't be classified as a "natural born" citizen.

If it is proven to be "falsified" he would problem have more of an issue with "fraud" than with actually being considered "natural born".
 
I work with Adobe documents all the time.  I believe they're fakes.  They're not only fakes, they're bad fakes.

Here's the rub.  I wouldn't put it past the Obama team to release obvious forgeries of real documents just to stir up a controversy they can squash later. 
 
Yawn.

A few corrections:

1. This was not on "CBS News". This was on the local news section for a CBS affiliate in Phoenix. Hint: they are not the same thing.  The original poster apparently wanted to boost the value of this story by attaching "CBS News" to it, to inflate the credibility.
2. The reason it was in Phoenix is because Arpaio is a resident of Arizona.  That is what made it newsworthy for the local affiliate, not because it had any actual investigative value.
3. The reason Arpaio is doing this is because he hopes to use it as a distraction from the federal investigation going on into his department;
4. His team of "volunteer investigators" appears to be spectacularly bad at doing their self-appointed job.  For example, one of their so-called "proofs" of forgery is that of a postmark with only a two-digit year. The claim is that real, legitimate postmarks always have four digit years.  The problem, however, is that a three minute Google search shows that is nonsense:

Postmark-0001.jpg


That isn't the only mistake in their claims, but it should serve as an easy example of why birtherism shares an orbit with flat earth conspiracy.

But if you're really bored, then maybe you'd like to explain why Rick Santorum still refuses to provide copies of his father's naturalization papers? *
http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/rick-santorum-still-refusing-to-provide-copies-of-naturalization-papers-proving-his-father-was-a-u-s-citizen-when-rick-was-born/

* asterisk to be explained later
 
"Yawn." 

Yeah, and you responded.


I'm no birther, just thought it was interesting that it was on the News, ahem, CBS.

Anyways...

Thanks for bumping.




 
redgreen5 said:
Yawn.

A few corrections:

1. This was not on "CBS News". This was on the local news section for a CBS affiliate in Phoenix. Hint: they are not the same thing.  The original poster apparently wanted to boost the value of this story by attaching "CBS News" to it, to inflate the credibility.
2. The reason it was in Phoenix is because Arpaio is a resident of Arizona.  That is what made it newsworthy for the local affiliate, not because it had any actual investigative value.
3. The reason Arpaio is doing this is because he hopes to use it as a distraction from the federal investigation going on into his department;
4. His team of "volunteer investigators" appears to be spectacularly bad at doing their self-appointed job.  For example, one of their so-called "proofs" of forgery is that of a postmark with only a two-digit year. The claim is that real, legitimate postmarks always have four digit years.  The problem, however, is that a three minute Google search shows that is nonsense:

Postmark-0001.jpg


That isn't the only mistake in their claims, but it should serve as an easy example of why birtherism shares an orbit with flat earth conspiracy.

But if you're really bored, then maybe you'd like to explain why Rick Santorum still refuses to provide copies of his father's naturalization papers? *
http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/rick-santorum-still-refusing-to-provide-copies-of-naturalization-papers-proving-his-father-was-a-u-s-citizen-when-rick-was-born/

* asterisk to be explained later
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You obviously didn't understand the part about the stamp used at the post office.  It's not a postmark, so your google search was in vain. 

The format of the stamp in question is set for a 4-digit year.  There are spaces where the first two digits would appear, and the last two digits are misaligned.  It's an obvious forgery, although by whom and for what purpose, I don't know.
 
I'm not a fan of the current administration. With that said, wouldn't peoples' time be better spent addressing disagreement with policy issues instead of wasting more time on this nonsense. The democratic party believed him to be qualified to run, the majority of voters in the last election thought him qualified. No one is going to all of a sudden say "oops." So let's deal with the issues and policies that are the real problem and quit tilting at windmills about a piece of paper that, at this point, is inconsequential.
 
samspade said:
I'm not a fan of the current administration. With that said, wouldn't peoples' time be better spent addressing disagreement with policy issues instead of wasting more time on this nonsense. The democratic party believed him to be qualified to run, the majority of voters in the last election thought him qualified. No one is going to all of a sudden say "oops." So let's deal with the issues and policies that are the real problem and quit tilting at windmills about a piece of paper that, at this point, is inconsequential.
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Agreed. It doesn't matter, and it won't help Republicans win the election. What matters are the issues and the policies.
 
christundivided said:
Obviously you know very little about the postal service.

But if you're really bored, then maybe you'd like to explain why Rick Santorum still refuses to provide copies of his father's naturalization papers? *
http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/rick-santorum-still-refusing-to-provide-copies-of-naturalization-papers-proving-his-father-was-a-u-s-citizen-when-rick-was-born/

* asterisk to be explained later
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Doesn't really matter . He was BORN in VIRGINIA... ;)
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I'm afraid it does matter.  The definition of "natural born citizen" that birthernuts are using requires both parents to be citizens, to prevent "anchor babies".  I'm just test-driving birtherism here, to see if that same standard would apply to a GOP presidential candidate.
 
redgreen5 said:
christundivided said:
Obviously you know very little about the postal service.

But if you're really bored, then maybe you'd like to explain why Rick Santorum still refuses to provide copies of his father's naturalization papers? *
http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/rick-santorum-still-refusing-to-provide-copies-of-naturalization-papers-proving-his-father-was-a-u-s-citizen-when-rick-was-born/

* asterisk to be explained later
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Doesn't really matter . He was BORN in VIRGINIA... ;)
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I'm afraid it does matter.  The definition of "natural born citizen" that birthernuts are using requires both parents to be citizens, to prevent "anchor babies".  I'm just test-driving birtherism here, to see if that same standard would apply to a GOP presidential candidate.
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Who said I was a birther?
 
christundivided said:
redgreen5 said:
christundivided said:
Obviously you know very little about the postal service.

But if you're really bored, then maybe you'd like to explain why Rick Santorum still refuses to provide copies of his father's naturalization papers? *
http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/rick-santorum-still-refusing-to-provide-copies-of-naturalization-papers-proving-his-father-was-a-u-s-citizen-when-rick-was-born/

* asterisk to be explained later
Click to expand...

Doesn't really matter . He was BORN in VIRGINIA... ;)
Click to expand...

I'm afraid it does matter.  The definition of "natural born citizen" that birthernuts are using requires both parents to be citizens, to prevent "anchor babies".  I'm just test-driving birtherism here, to see if that same standard would apply to a GOP presidential candidate.
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Who said I was a birther?
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Where did I say that my response rested on you being a birther in the first place?
Where did I say that you were the intended audience of the Santorum counter-example that I posed?

It isn't always about you.  ::)
 
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