No Church, No Work

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I've heard a few pin-headed HAC-grads uses a particular phrase in their sermons - it goes like this "If you miss church, you should miss work" or some variation thereof.

When I first heard them say this years ago, back when I was a new convert and young and dumb, I gladly said "Amen. That's good preaching." I was stupid back then because I didn't know any better.

That was then, this is now. What a ridiculously stupid remark. And being the only people I ever heard say such baloney were HAC-grads, it makes me wonder if this asinine theology is taught at HAC. You know...pompous leadership superiority?

I mean the very thought that if you don't come to listen to one of these arrogant blow-hards, you shouldn't go to work to support your family. As if what they have to say is the most important thing in your life.

I'm sure there are a few HAC-grads that doesn't think the world revolves around them and what they have to say, but I never heard any of them.

 

[IFB X-Files]

"If you miss church, you should miss work"

Yeah, I'm sure that some idiots have said that.  Of course they'll whistle a different tune once the offerings start dropping.  No work, no pay.

 

[Vince Massi]

"I was stupid back then because I didn't know any better."

No, you were mistaught back then because you didn't know any better. You seem to have learned a lot since then.

 

[fishinnut]

I've heard a few pin-headed HAC-grads uses a particular phrase in their sermons - it goes like this "If you miss church, you should miss work" or some variation thereof.

When I first heard them say this years ago, back when I was a new convert and young and dumb, I gladly said "Amen. That's good preaching." I was stupid back then because I didn't know any better.

That was then, this is now. What a ridiculously stupid remark. And being the only people I ever heard say such baloney were HAC-grads, it makes me wonder if this asinine theology is taught at HAC. You know...pompous leadership superiority?

I mean the very thought that if you don't come to listen to one of these arrogant blow-hards, you shouldn't go to work to support your family. As if what they have to say is the most important thing in your life.

I'm sure there are a few HAC-grads that doesn't think the world revolves around them and what they have to say, but I never heard any of them.

Schaap said something akin to this to the HAC students & it was posted online during a chewing-em-out/chapel session he had, getting his students right with Jack. He talked like hearing him on Wednesday nights because some students (like I did the entire 4 years I was there) had jobs that required them to work each evening was proof of living in deep dark sin.

 

[BALAAM]

I heard this stuff too and tried hard to obey it. Even though, like many of you, I spent from 6:30 AM on Sunday until about 10:30 PM sunday involved in ministries. You were supposed to be there every time the doors squeaked on the hinges in order to be "right" with God.

Run, John, and work, the law commands:
Yet finds me neither feet or hands.
But, sweeter news the gospel brings:
It bids me fly and lends me wings!

John Berridge

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I believe this is yet another example of a college rule that became a dogma proclaimed as doctrine.  Institutions such as FBCH that have a HAC often have this problem, but so do smaller churches with parochial schools.  A rule is put in place for the school, which must be defended by the church, and hence, the dogma becomes a doctrine of the church.

Here's what happened:
1.  Students would feign illness to get out of class, especially on test days, but magically be well enough to go to work.  This was a problem in the classroom.
2.  A rule was created to prevent this problem - If you take a sick day from class, you must be so sick that you can't go to work, so you are not allowed to go to work that day.  The rule was passed to prevent people from ditching class, or, depending on your perspective, to help students get well.  The rule, in its intent, is really not that different from a mother telling her child, no, you are too sick to go to school, so you are too sick to play basketball - go to bed.
3.  The rule carried forward then to the church.  If you are too sick or tired to go to church, you are too sick or tired to go to work.  The same principle applies here.  Students were skipping church to get sleep because they had to work third shift on Saturday or Sunday night.  The leadership at the church felt that you should skip work before skipping church, or get a different job that would allow you to be at church.  This rule would only apply to Sunday morning, since students were allowed to work Sunday night and Wednesday night.  Going to a church service once per week should not be a great challenge to someone who is studying to go into ministry.
4.  As time goes by, the rule, created for college students to help them stop skipping class, had to be defended by the administration.  The only real time and place for that was church.  Hence, the principle became a dogma and the dogma became a doctrine.
5.  More time goes by - Now, people exaggerate the dogma to greater levels and a heresy is created.  Those teaching that you should skip work one day during the week if you skip church on Sunday, have no clue why the rule was ever created.  In vain, they do worship God, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Keep in mind that the beginning of the heresy made sense - go to class.  In effort to defend a policy a heresy was invented.  I believe we must all be vigilant to not allow our pursuit of right to cause us to proclaim our dogma as doctrine and become inventors of heresy.

 

[sword]

I believe this is yet another example of a college rule that became a dogma proclaimed as doctrine.  Institutions such as FBCH that have a HAC often have this problem, but so do smaller churches with parochial schools.  A rule is put in place for the school, which must be defended by the church, and hence, the dogma becomes a doctrine of the church.

Here's what happened:
1.  Students would feign illness to get out of class, especially on test days, but magically be well enough to go to work.  This was a problem in the classroom.
2.  A rule was created to prevent this problem - If you take a sick day from class, you must be so sick that you can't go to work, so you are not allowed to go to work that day.  The rule was passed to prevent people from ditching class, or, depending on your perspective, to help students get well.  The rule, in its intent, is really not that different from a mother telling her child, no, you are too sick to go to school, so you are too sick to play basketball - go to bed.
3.  The rule carried forward then to the church.  If you are too sick or tired to go to church, you are too sick or tired to go to work.  The same principle applies here.  Students were skipping church to get sleep because they had to work third shift on Saturday or Sunday night.  The leadership at the church felt that you should skip work before skipping church, or get a different job that would allow you to be at church.  This rule would only apply to Sunday morning, since students were allowed to work Sunday night and Wednesday night.  Going to a church service once per week should not be a great challenge to someone who is studying to go into ministry.
4.  As time goes by, the rule, created for college students to help them stop skipping class, had to be defended by the administration.  The only real time and place for that was church.  Hence, the principle became a dogma and the dogma became a doctrine.
5.  More time goes by - Now, people exaggerate the dogma to greater levels and a heresy is created.  Those teaching that you should skip work one day during the week if you skip church on Sunday, have no clue why the rule was ever created.  In vain, they do worship God, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Keep in mind that the beginning of the heresy made sense - go to class.  In effort to defend a policy a heresy was invented.  I believe we must all be vigilant to not allow our pursuit of right to cause us to proclaim our dogma as doctrine and become inventors of heresy.

Excellent Post

I think this kinda thing happens far to often. If you can't soundly explain & defend a rule then don't have it.

 

[IFB X-Files]

Here's what happened:
1.  Students would feign illness to get out of class, especially on test days, but magically be well enough to go to work.  This was a problem in the classroom.
2.  A rule was created to prevent this problem - If you take a sick day from class, you must be so sick that you can't go to work, so you are not allowed to go to work that day.  The rule was passed to prevent people from ditching class, or, depending on your perspective, to help students get well.  The rule, in its intent, is really not that different from a mother telling her child, no, you are too sick to go to school, so you are too sick to play basketball - go to bed.
3.  The rule carried forward then to the church.  If you are too sick or tired to go to church, you are too sick or tired to go to work.  The same principle applies here.  Students were skipping church to get sleep because they had to work third shift on Saturday or Sunday night.  The leadership at the church felt that you should skip work before skipping church, or get a different job that would allow you to be at church.  This rule would only apply to Sunday morning, since students were allowed to work Sunday night and Wednesday night.  Going to a church service once per week should not be a great challenge to someone who is studying to go into ministry.
4.  As time goes by, the rule, created for college students to help them stop skipping class, had to be defended by the administration.  The only real time and place for that was church.  Hence, the principle became a dogma and the dogma became a doctrine.
5.  More time goes by - Now, people exaggerate the dogma to greater levels and a heresy is created.  Those teaching that you should skip work one day during the week if you skip church on Sunday, have no clue why the rule was ever created.  In vain, they do worship God, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Keep in mind that the beginning of the heresy made sense - go to class.  In effort to defend a policy a heresy was invented.  I believe we must all be vigilant to not allow our pursuit of right to cause us to proclaim our dogma as doctrine and become inventors of heresy.

A young woman was preparing a ham dinner. After she cut off the end of the ham, she placed it in a pan for baking.

Her friend asked her, "Why did you cut off the end of the ham"?

And she replied ,"I really don't know but my mother always did, so I thought you were supposed to."

Later when talking to her mother she asked her why she cut off the end of the ham before baking it, and her mother replied, "I really don't know, but that's the way my mom always did it."

A few weeks later while visiting her grandmother, the young woman asked, "Grandma, why is it that you cut off the end of a ham before you bake it?"

Her grandmother replied, "Well dear, otherwise it would never fit into my baking pan."

 

[breslau]

If I am not feeling well, I work from home. 

 

[no value]

If I am not feeling well, I work from home.

I work for the federal government and there is currently a big budget-trimming initiative going on in my agency. I can't speak for any other government agency, but where I work we have been presidentially-mandated to cut our costs. The reason is so obvious that a blind person could see---we are so broke!

As a taxpayer, its a good thing...quite frankly we should have done it ten years ago when the economy was better and the changes would have been less painful. That being said---there is currently a big push toward teleworking.

The idea if working from home may sound appealing and look good on paper, but I'm not so sure I'm all in on the idea. Obviously if/when the time comes, I probably won't have any choice. I'm not saying I won't like it, but there are alot of cyber security challenges to overcome before I will be comfortable.

So if one of those HACker pin-headed preacher say "No church, no work"---no problem. I can skip out on church and work from home.

 

[Walt]

I believe this is yet another example of a college rule that became a dogma proclaimed as doctrine.  Institutions such as FBCH that have a HAC often have this problem, but so do smaller churches with parochial schools.  A rule is put in place for the school, which must be defended by the church, and hence, the dogma becomes a doctrine of the church.

Here's what happened:
1.  Students would feign illness to get out of class, especially on test days, but magically be well enough to go to work.  This was a problem in the classroom.
2.  A rule was created to prevent this problem - If you take a sick day from class, you must be so sick that you can't go to work, so you are not allowed to go to work that day.  The rule was passed to prevent people from ditching class, or, depending on your perspective, to help students get well.  The rule, in its intent, is really not that different from a mother telling her child, no, you are too sick to go to school, so you are too sick to play basketball - go to bed.
3.  The rule carried forward then to the church.  If you are too sick or tired to go to church, you are too sick or tired to go to work.  The same principle applies here.  Students were skipping church to get sleep because they had to work third shift on Saturday or Sunday night.  The leadership at the church felt that you should skip work before skipping church, or get a different job that would allow you to be at church.  This rule would only apply to Sunday morning, since students were allowed to work Sunday night and Wednesday night.  Going to a church service once per week should not be a great challenge to someone who is studying to go into ministry.
4.  As time goes by, the rule, created for college students to help them stop skipping class, had to be defended by the administration.  The only real time and place for that was church.  Hence, the principle became a dogma and the dogma became a doctrine.
5.  More time goes by - Now, people exaggerate the dogma to greater levels and a heresy is created.  Those teaching that you should skip work one day during the week if you skip church on Sunday, have no clue why the rule was ever created.  In vain, they do worship God, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Keep in mind that the beginning of the heresy made sense - go to class.  In effort to defend a policy a heresy was invented.  I believe we must all be vigilant to not allow our pursuit of right to cause us to proclaim our dogma as doctrine and become inventors of heresy.

I've heard this preached in some churches -- this is a good example of how rule building works.

If I'm too tired to go to church, I should be awake enough to go to work.  May or may not work for church.

 

[Fresh Air]

I believe this is yet another example of a college rule that became a dogma proclaimed as doctrine.  Institutions such as FBCH that have a HAC often have this problem, but so do smaller churches with parochial schools.  A rule is put in place for the school, which must be defended by the church, and hence, the dogma becomes a doctrine of the church.

Here's what happened:
1.  Students would feign illness to get out of class, especially on test days, but magically be well enough to go to work.  This was a problem in the classroom.
2.  A rule was created to prevent this problem - If you take a sick day from class, you must be so sick that you can't go to work, so you are not allowed to go to work that day.  The rule was passed to prevent people from ditching class, or, depending on your perspective, to help students get well.  The rule, in its intent, is really not that different from a mother telling her child, no, you are too sick to go to school, so you are too sick to play basketball - go to bed.
3.  The rule carried forward then to the church.  If you are too sick or tired to go to church, you are too sick or tired to go to work.  The same principle applies here.  Students were skipping church to get sleep because they had to work third shift on Saturday or Sunday night.  The leadership at the church felt that you should skip work before skipping church, or get a different job that would allow you to be at church.  This rule would only apply to Sunday morning, since students were allowed to work Sunday night and Wednesday night.  Going to a church service once per week should not be a great challenge to someone who is studying to go into ministry.
4.  As time goes by, the rule, created for college students to help them stop skipping class, had to be defended by the administration.  The only real time and place for that was church.  Hence, the principle became a dogma and the dogma became a doctrine.
5.  More time goes by - Now, people exaggerate the dogma to greater levels and a heresy is created.  Those teaching that you should skip work one day during the week if you skip church on Sunday, have no clue why the rule was ever created.  In vain, they do worship God, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Keep in mind that the beginning of the heresy made sense - go to class.  In effort to defend a policy a heresy was invented.  I believe we must all be vigilant to not allow our pursuit of right to cause us to proclaim our dogma as doctrine and become inventors of heresy.

That is outstanding. It well represents one of the great dangers that comes to a church that runs a school, and allows the school to influence it to deeply.