MLK and IFB's

[Baptist City Holdout]

OK, back in the 1980's when the King holiday was established, Martin Luther King was considered in many IFB circles a communist and America hater. 1987-1992 even as a Christian school teacher, I taught that King was no good. boy, guess for those who never change and cling to the Old Paths  , some things do change. Any comments?

 

[16KJV11]

OK, back in the 1980's when the King holiday was established, Martin Luther King was considered in many IFB circles a communist and America hater. 1987-1992 even as a Christian school teacher, I taught that King was no good. boy, guess for those who never change and cling to the Old Paths  , some things do change. Any comments?

I guess it depends upon what the truth really is.  If he was a communist, he should be labeled as such.
If he wasn't a communist, you weren't telling the truth.
Don't be afraid to tell the truth.

 

[Lone Ranger]

As with many terms, the definition of Communism has changed in our country. In the 80's our current president and his associates were known as communists.

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

OK, back in the 1980's when the King holiday was established, Martin Luther King was considered in many IFB circles a communist and America hater. 1987-1992 even as a Christian school teacher, I taught that King was no good. boy, guess for those who never change and cling to the Old Paths  , some things do change. Any comments?

I guess it depends upon what the truth really is.  If he was a communist, he should be labeled as such.
If he wasn't a communist, you weren't telling the truth.
Don't be afraid to tell the truth.

You're right on that. What got me to thinking was when I remembered a clip of MLK used at one of the last Pastors' Schools to make a point. Don't think that would have been used by Hyles.

 

[rsc2a]

As with many terms, the definition of Communism has changed in our country. In the 80's our current president and his associates were known as communists.

Methinks that all the people who complain about President Obama wanting to expand the government then call him a communist for it don't know what communism is.

 

[4everfsu]

As with many terms, the definition of Communism has changed in our country. In the 80's our current president and his associates were known as communists.

Methinks that all the people who complain about President Obama wanting to expand the government then call him a communist for it don't know what communism is.

That is your problem, thinking.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

As with many terms, the definition of Communism has changed in our country. In the 80's our current president and his associates were known as communists.

Methinks that all the people who complain about President Obama wanting to expand the government then call him a communist for it don't know what communism is.

That is your problem, thinking.

 

[Lone Ranger]

As with many terms, the definition of Communism has changed in our country. In the 80's our current president and his associates were known as communists.

Methinks that all the people who complain about President Obama wanting to expand the government then call him a communist for it don't know what communism is.

If Communism is a philosophy, and I believe that it is, then a communist is one who believes the Marxist doctrines. Whether he is able to implement those doctrines or not, we know that our current president is a communist because his books and his speeches reveal his philosophy. There may be those who want to expand the government who are not communists, as big government does not equate with communism. Pitting the classes against each other and seeking wealth distribution are more insidious signs of communism.

 

[rsc2a]

As with many terms, the definition of Communism has changed in our country. In the 80's our current president and his associates were known as communists.

Methinks that all the people who complain about President Obama wanting to expand the government then call him a communist for it don't know what communism is.

If Communism is a philosophy, and I believe that it is, then a communist is one who believes the Marxist doctrines. Whether he is able to implement those doctrines or not, we know that our current president is a communist because his books and his speeches reveal his philosophy. There may be those who want to expand the government who are not communists, as big government does not equate with communism. Pitting the classes against each other and seeking wealth distribution are more insidious signs of communism.

Marxism is based on the idea that there are no classes and, therefore, no State. By definition, one cannot be both a Marxist and be an advocate for big government. Socialism and communism are not synonymous when discussing political theory. In fact, they are on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to these ideologies. So the term "socialist" may be accurate, but not "communist"...but that has its own pitfalls for the critics of the President because many of those critics are quite fond of certain aspects of socialism as well.

 

[Lone Ranger]

Socialism and communism are not synonymous when discussing political theory. In fact, they are on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to these ideologies. So the term "socialist" may be accurate, but not "communist"...but that has its own pitfalls for the critics of the President because many of those critics are quite fond of certain aspects of socialism as well.

Maybe instead of considering socialism and communism political theories, you should consider them economic theories. I wouldn't agree with you that socialism and communism are on "opposite ends of the spectrum."  Marxist theory describes "higher-phase communism" and "lower-phase communism". The lower-phase communism is basically what is now called socialism; and, in Marxist theory, is the transitional stage between the overthrow of capitalism and the ultimate objective of the fully developed communistic society in the evolution of human society.

I don't think anyone can read Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto, without seeing that Capitalism to Socialism to Communism progression.

 

[Lone Ranger]

Marxism is based on the idea that there are no classes and, therefore, no State.

I don't see the logic of this. Where is your thinking to claim that no classes implies no State? A state is required, because there is no private ownership of land or businesses. A state is required to control the financial system, the factories, the armies, the education, the media, etc.

 

[Bravo]

Marxism is based on the idea that there are no classes and, therefore, no State.

I don't see the logic of this. Where is your thinking to claim that no classes implies no State? A state is required, because there is no private ownership of land or businesses. A state is required to control the financial system, the factories, the armies, the education, the media, etc.

I was also wondering how the one implied the other as well.

 

[Still There]

We had an uproar a few years ago in the public schools because they gave the MLK holiday to the kids and took away President's day.  OMG did the schools get angry parents' letters, including me.  He wasn't a President, and actually not in any government leadership role.  I don't think one person here, unles they're of the black race actually celebrate MLK day.  So I ask, how many actually go to a rally or any type of celebration?  The schools do not have any type of celebration anymore because they don't do it for President's day.  The only community here in NWI that celebrate MLK day is Gary because they are nearly 90% black. 

 

[rsc2a]

Marxism is based on the idea that there are no classes and, therefore, no State.

I don't see the logic of this. Where is your thinking to claim that no classes implies no State? A state is required, because there is no private ownership of land or businesses. A state is required to control the financial system, the factories, the armies, the education, the media, etc.

I'm only restating what Marx actually wrote:

In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and with it also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished, after labor has become not only a livelihood but life's prime want, after the productive forces have increased with the all-round development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly--only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois law be left behind in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs! - Karl Marx

 

[Lone Ranger]

Marxism is based on the idea that there are no classes and, therefore, no State.

I don't see the logic of this. Where is your thinking to claim that no classes implies no State? A state is required, because there is no private ownership of land or businesses. A state is required to control the financial system, the factories, the armies, the education, the media, etc.

I'm only restating what Marx actually wrote:

In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and with it also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished, after labor has become not only a livelihood but life's prime want, after the productive forces have increased with the all-round development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly--only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois law be left behind in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs! - Karl Marx

In this quote he's not calling for an end of the State but an end of bourgeois law. The bourgeois is the middle class who own property, and bourgeois law is the law of private ownership of property. As was noted earlier by aleshanee, the utopian dream of communism may sound like it can operate without a government, but in reality it takes the party leadership to keep the society going. How convenient for them.

 

[rsc2a]

Communism had worked and it does work,  but only in certain cultures and in nothing much larger than a village.

 

[Norefund]

but it must be noted that no government has ever even tried to bring such a thing about ... much less succeeded at it..... the fact is every communist leader since communism began has built a larger... more complicated government.... and one more intrusive in citizens private lives... and abusive of their personal freedom... than any other non-communist country of equal size or population, in order to administrate it...

I don't think it's just communist governments that continually build themselves to be larger and more intrusive. It's pretty much all governments - capitalist, communist, socialist, islamic, etc. - unless the nation is in a state of decline to the point of no longer actually being a nation (Somalia).

 

[Lone Ranger]

Communism had worked and it does work,  but only in certain cultures and in nothing much larger than a village.

So is that what Hillary meant with her "It takes a village"?

 

[Lone Ranger]

OK, back in the 1980's when the King holiday was established, Martin Luther King was considered in many IFB circles a communist and America hater. 1987-1992 even as a Christian school teacher, I taught that King was no good. boy, guess for those who never change and cling to the Old Paths  , some things do change. Any comments?

To respond to the original post of this thread, here is a site that speaks to MLK's communist connections, as well as his lack of morality.

www.martinlutherking.org/thebeast.html

It seems that the MLK estate is trying to suppress the truth about some of his behaviors in order to preserve his sainthood.

www.deadline.com/2014/01/on-eve-of-mlk-day-will-adultery-keep-epic-dr-king-movie-off-the-big-screen/

 

[rsc2a]

Communism had worked and it does work,  but only in certain cultures and in nothing much larger than a village.

So is that what Hillary meant with her "It takes a village"?

Nope.

OK, back in the 1980's when the King holiday was established, Martin Luther King was considered in many IFB circles a communist and America hater. 1987-1992 even as a Christian school teacher, I taught that King was no good. boy, guess for those who never change and cling to the Old Paths  , some things do change. Any comments?

To respond to the original post of this thread, here is a site that speaks to MLK's communist connections, as well as his lack of morality.

www.martinlutherking.org/thebeast.html

It seems that the MLK estate is trying to suppress the truth about some of his behaviors in order to preserve his sainthood.

www.deadline.com/2014/01/on-eve-of-mlk-day-will-adultery-keep-epic-dr-king-movie-off-the-big-screen/

There is a book of the Bible written about David's immorality. Abraham and Saul get quite a mention. Same for Peter, Jonah, Aaron, and a host of other characters...

...thankfully, Christ is bigger than any of our failures and it is His righteousness we count on, not our own.