Lost Ending to the Sermon on the Mount

It's not good.

It springs from a distorted hermenuetic, amounts to a sort of self-righteous self-flagellation, and ends up suggesting that Jesus didn't tell us everything that He was supposed to.
 
ivannette said:
rsc2a said:
This is good:

http://paulbibeau.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-sermon-on-mounts-lost-ending.html
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the sermon on the mounts lost ending    ^  warning obscenity  ^

i stopped there    at the title   

l o l
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It's actually quite good.  I don't agree 100% with the points he's making, but the premise is that Jesus gave us an absolutely impossible-to-do list of instructions in that sermon.  In fact, if you don't get that from the sermon, then I don't see how you can even begin to understand what the sermon is all about. 

And he's also saying that some people will get around the problems by lawyering up and turning the sermon into a bunch of laws (or cherry picking some of the instructions) they can excuse themselves for breaking while torturing other Christians for failing to live up to them.  I agree with both those points. 

The middle point about the alternative I'd have to edit in order to agree with.  But it's still worth reading. 

Also, Jesus does not play with dice.
 
It is a good blog piece. and I think I know what JC had in mind. As Paul explained in Galatians, and in parts of Romans, and no doubt in some of his other epistles as well, we CANNOT keep the Law, yet we MUST in order to meet divine standards... which is not humanly possible. So what's the solution? Depend on Grace instead, trusting in Christ's atonement and wearing His righteousness rather than our own.
 
rsc2a said:
Another excellent article.
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Two relevant Scriptures....

In regards to a moment in time conversion:

Joh_3:7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Regarding assurance and certainty of salvation:

1Jn_5:13  These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
 
Reformed Guy said:
It's not good.

It springs from a distorted hermenuetic, amounts to a sort of self-righteous self-flagellation, and ends up suggesting that Jesus didn't tell us everything that He was supposed to.
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Yep. It was awful. I'm on my 14th sermon preaching through it (now halfway through ch5), and this author doesn't have a clue, IMHO...
 
ALAYMAN said:
In regards to a moment in time conversion:

Joh_3:7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
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SO are you saying you must know the very second you are saved? or do you just come to the realization of your sinful nature and a need for Christ? What if you come to that point and you go call someone to ask them how to pray Jesus in my heart,then your hit by a car,and killed, are you saved?
 
Recovering IFB said:
SO are you saying you must know the very second you are saved? or do you just come to the realization of your sinful nature and a need for Christ? What if you come to that point and you go call someone to ask them how to pray Jesus in my heart,then your hit by a car,and killed, am you saved?
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I want to hear the answer to this, because this is a very likely scenario if you're using your cell phone in the car, or crossing a street while texting. 

 
Recovering IFB said:
ALAYMAN said:
In regards to a moment in time conversion:

Joh_3:7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
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SO are you saying you must know the very second you are saved? or do you just come to the realization of your sinful nature and a need for Christ? What if you come to that point and you go call someone to ask them how to pray Jesus in my heart,then your hit by a car,and killed, are you saved?
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No, I'm saying that regeneration occurs in one moment in time whether the convert realizes/remembers it or not, and that folks who say "I've always been saved" most likely are confused, and more than likely lost IMHO.
 
ALAYMAN said:
No, I'm saying that regeneration occurs in one moment in time whether the convert realizes/remembers it or not, and that folks who say "I've always been saved" most likely are confused, and more than likely lost IMHO.
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OK, I use to hear an old pastor say.."If you cant remember the time you got saved..."  Some people I know, knew the second it happened, me, i came to the realization I was lost and I was depending on Jesus.
 
Recovering IFB said:
ALAYMAN said:
In regards to a moment in time conversion:

Joh_3:7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
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SO are you saying you must know the very second you are saved? or do you just come to the realization of your sinful nature and a need for Christ? What if you come to that point and you go call someone to ask them how to pray Jesus in my heart,then your hit by a car,and killed, are you saved?
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God knows the moment that you accept Him, and is the one leading one to Him.  Would He defeat His own purpose, by allowing one to die, while they are on the eternal angler's hook?

Anishinabe

 
ALAYMAN said:
Recovering IFB said:
ALAYMAN said:
In regards to a moment in time conversion:

Joh_3:7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
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SO are you saying you must know the very second you are saved? or do you just come to the realization of your sinful nature and a need for Christ? What if you come to that point and you go call someone to ask them how to pray Jesus in my heart,then your hit by a car,and killed, are you saved?
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No, I'm saying that regeneration occurs in one moment in time whether the convert realizes/remembers it or not, and that folks who say "I've always been saved" most likely are confused, and more than likely lost IMHO.
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So would that time be before the beginning of the world? Or would that time be at the cross? Or would that time be when we "make a decision"? Or would that time be when He restores all things? Or would that time be....
 
Recovering IFB said:
OK, I use to hear an old pastor say.."If you cant remember the time you got saved..."  Some people I know, knew the second it happened, me, i came to the realization I was lost and I was depending on Jesus.
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I think I know what you mean, but that last part of your sentence is a bit confusing.  Do you mean that you were saved awhile before you actually realized it?

rsc2a said:
So would that time be before the beginning of the world? Or would that time be at the cross? Or would that time be when we "make a decision"? Or would that time be when He restores all things? Or would that time be....
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In God's mind it is obviously before the foundations, but in time and space of humanity it is the moment a person believes on Christ (without wrangling over the ordo salutis).
 
ALAYMAN said:
In God's mind it is obviously before the foundations, but in time and space of humanity it is the moment a person believes on Christ (without wrangling over the ordo salutis).
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While I do believe anyone that believes on the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved. I don't necessarily believe it happens the instantaneous moment one believes. Though...... if you see belief in Christ as being a multipart process. Then I can accept this. It takes calling on the name of the Lord to complete the process. Going from belief to confess often is a mult-step process and can take some time.

I do believe that when anyone drinks of EverLasting Life and been divinely regenerated in the Family of God.... they know it. You might not know the day, hour or minute..... But you know when it happened. Its a life changing experience.
 
christundivided said:
While I do believe anyone that believes on the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved. I don't necessarily believe it happens the instantaneous moment one believes.
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Salvation is a process, no doubt (regeneration/justification, sanctification, glorification), but the born-again/regeneration event occurs in one moment of time and is instantaneous (ie, imputation vs infusion).

CU said:
Though...... if you see belief in Christ as being a multipart process. Then I can accept this. It takes calling on the name of the Lord to complete the process.
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Can you explain this a bit more?  I believe at the moment of belief/regeneration a person receives the Holy Spirit and is born again.  "Calling on the name of the Lord" is merely an idiom to suggest that a sinner must come to God on God's terms (faith alone).

CU said:
I do believe that when anyone drinks of EverLasting Life and been divinely regenerated in the Family of God.... they know it. You might not know the day, hour or minute..... But you know when it happened. Its a life changing experience.
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Yep.
 
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