qwerty said:
brianb said:
Just John said:
)Just John said:With respect, this is one thing I think we really need to be careful of. Linda doesn't seem to claim anywhere she is no longer a Christian. And the guy who wrote an introduction to the website doesn't make that claim either. He says that with Linda telling her story he was freed from Jack Hyle's "life-crushing religion". I have no problem with that as I see some of the same thing.
He goes on to write, "May the readers find release, happiness and freedom, as Linda and I and many others have found, as we embrace our own truths, rather than the false teachings of people who would place their bonds upon our spirits and our lives."
That statement, as ridiculous as it is, I wouldn't take it necessarily as "I reject Christ or Christianity". It could just as easily mean "I have chosen to interpret the Bible the way I read it (my truths) instead of the way Jack Hyles forced it on me". I believe for whatever reason they are hurting individuals and that can cause irrational thinking and statements.
As for quotes on her site there are quotes and books from some really good people and then some others I certainly do not agree with. I honestly don't know enough of Kierkegaard to have an opinion but I trust your assessment Brianb. However, his quote on the site is a good one, no matter what else he has to say. No doubt many of the quotes we say each day came from good and not so good people. I don't like the fact that there is a book from Ekhart Tolle for sure.
I know neither brianb or Torrent have bad motives at all but we all need to be careful with serious claims we make about others. (It's just always been a pet peeve of mine. Something to do with "scrupulosity" I think.
Torrent v.3 said:Just John said:With respect, this is one thing I think we really need to be careful of. Linda doesn't seem to claim anywhere she is no longer a Christian. And the guy who wrote an introduction to the website doesn't make that claim either. He says that with Linda telling her story he was freed from Jack Hyle's "life-crushing religion". I have no problem with that as I see some of the same thing.
He goes on to write, "May the readers find release, happiness and freedom, as Linda and I and many others have found, as we embrace our own truths, rather than the false teachings of people who would place their bonds upon our spirits and our lives."
That statement, as ridiculous as it is, I wouldn't take it necessarily as "I reject Christ or Christianity". It could just as easily mean "I have chosen to interpret the Bible the way I read it (my truths) instead of the way Jack Hyles forced it on me". I believe for whatever reason they are hurting individuals and that can cause irrational thinking and statements.
As for quotes on her site there are quotes and books from some really good people and then some others I certainly do not agree with. I honestly don't know enough of Kierkegaard to have an opinion but I trust your assessment Brianb. However, his quote on the site is a good one, no matter what else he has to say. No doubt many of the quotes we say each day came from good and not so good people. I don't like the fact that there is a book from Ekhart Tolle for sure.
I know neither brianb or Torrent have bad motives at all but we all need to be careful with serious claims we make about others. (It's just always been a pet peeve of mine. Something to do with "scrupulosity" I think.
I said he is an unbeliever because he is a friend of mine and he says publicly that he does not claim to be a Christian.
Just John said:Torrent v.3 said:Just John said:With respect, this is one thing I think we really need to be careful of. Linda doesn't seem to claim anywhere she is no longer a Christian. And the guy who wrote an introduction to the website doesn't make that claim either. He says that with Linda telling her story he was freed from Jack Hyle's "life-crushing religion". I have no problem with that as I see some of the same thing.
He goes on to write, "May the readers find release, happiness and freedom, as Linda and I and many others have found, as we embrace our own truths, rather than the false teachings of people who would place their bonds upon our spirits and our lives."
That statement, as ridiculous as it is, I wouldn't take it necessarily as "I reject Christ or Christianity". It could just as easily mean "I have chosen to interpret the Bible the way I read it (my truths) instead of the way Jack Hyles forced it on me". I believe for whatever reason they are hurting individuals and that can cause irrational thinking and statements.
As for quotes on her site there are quotes and books from some really good people and then some others I certainly do not agree with. I honestly don't know enough of Kierkegaard to have an opinion but I trust your assessment Brianb. However, his quote on the site is a good one, no matter what else he has to say. No doubt many of the quotes we say each day came from good and not so good people. I don't like the fact that there is a book from Ekhart Tolle for sure.
I know neither brianb or Torrent have bad motives at all but we all need to be careful with serious claims we make about others. (It's just always been a pet peeve of mine. Something to do with "scrupulosity" I think.
I said he is an unbeliever because he is a friend of mine and he says publicly that he does not claim to be a Christian.
Well THAT sheds a different light on it. LOL But the point remains the same. Especially for me.