John R Rice, Jack Hyles and the paradigm shift

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Turning points and paradigm shifts sometimes occur unnoticed at the time, but looking back through the spectrum of time; those shifts can be clearly seen. Such is the case of John R Rice, Jack Hyles and the Independent Fundamental Baptist movement.

For many years Jack Hyles traveled with John R Rice, and Hyles’ preaching (back then) reflected Rice’s balance. And while some may dispute whether Dr Rice was the titular leader of IFBs, he was undoubtedly a stabilizing force within the movement. Dr Rice (as well as other IFBs lions) kept hot-heads like Jack Hyles in check.

In 1978 Dr Rice brought Curtis Hutson into the Sword of the Lord, which at the time was the premier IFB publication. Rice and Hutson worked to keep the Sword balanced and doctrinally sound. But when John R Rice died in 1980, a paradigm shift occurred.

Whether it was calculated or coaxed on by others, Jack Hyles made his move to become the de-facto head of the IFB movement after Rice died. Hyles’ preaching became more aggressive and narcissistic. Many good pastors and churches did not embrace Hyles as their “leader.” Some of them may have given him respectful deferance, but the movement began fracturing into “camps.”

There was the Sword of the Lord camp, the FBCH/HAC camp, the Tennessee Temple camp and BJU camp, to name a few. Now just to be clear, there probably were “camps” before Rice’s death, but after Hyles’ self-coronation, the fracture became more pronounced.

Curtis Hutson continued on at the Sword until he died in 1995. Dr Hutson was a Christian gentleman who did an admirable job trying to bridge the gap between the camps. Then came Shelton Smith who has run the Sword of the Lord down to abysmal absurdity.

Jack Hyles ran his kingdom like the king he pronounced himself to be. Jack Schaap was a willing prince waiting to assume the throne once Dave Hyles self-destructed. And it only took Schaap a dozen or so years before he imploded.

So where is the IFB movement today? More of a laughing-stock and a punching-bag among the evangelical crowd. The largest churches in America are no longer predominately IFB. I wonder what John R Rice, Lee Roberson, Bob Jones Sr and others would think of the Independent Fundamental Baptist movement of today?
 
Good post, Brother.

John R. Rice was a strong opponent of the KJO doctrine, although he did not make it a matter of hatred.

I had assumed that the fall of FBCH (it went from over 40,000 to less than 6,000) to the Dave Hyles scandal exploding in Jack Hyles' face. But if Rice or Jones Sr. had still been alive, they might have been able to stop it.

No one is perfect, but Jerry Falwell did manage to figure out what was going on. He got out of TV evangelism, started seeking accreditation, never had a scandal, worked with Godly Southern Baptists, had Billy Graham as a speaker, ignored BJU, and (to put it bluntly)  got farther away from Hyles. Years after Falwell's death, his church and iniversity are doing great.
 
Bro. Hyles made much of the fact that the largest churches in the US were IFB.

He used the measure of bigness as a badge of rightness, it was not and is not now.

He was a master at decrying situation ethics while at the same time relying upon it to validate his methods.

We now see what his methods have wrought, immortality, heresy and destruction.
 
I was thinking Dave Hyles blew it before Schaap got married to Cindy. So I think the waiting in the sidelines was for Hyles to die. Could be wrong though in the timeline.
 
I think the fall began when Christians started making gods out of human men.
 
SwampHag said:
I think the fall began when Christians started making gods out of human men.

Acts 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

Yup.  Started a looong time ago.
 
kaba said:
I was thinking Dave Hyles blew it before Schaap got married to Cindy. So I think the waiting in the sidelines was for Hyles to die. Could be wrong though in the timeline.

You may be right about the time sequence...point is, Schaap became a prince by marrying the daughter of the king and then waiting patiently for the king to pass off this mortal coil.
 
Vince Massi said:
I had assumed that the fall of FBCH (it went from over 40,000 to less than 6,000) to the Dave Hyles scandal exploding in Jack Hyles' face. But if Rice or Jones Sr. had still been alive, they might have been able to stop it.

And where did you get this information?
 
Rice was still alive when Dave was Youth Pastor and enjoying life!!
 
no value said:
So where is the IFB movement today? More of a laughing-stock and a punching-bag among the evangelical crowd.

Having been a part of the "evangelical crowd" the last 20 years, I beg to differ. IFB is not as nearly on the evangelical radar screen as is the Southern Baptists. I would contend that any IFB visibility went away from the evangelical radar with the passing of Falwell. With Hyles? Most evangelicals I knew (even in the NW Indiana area, having lived there at the time) had not even heard of him when he died.
 
Vince Massi said:
Good post, Brother.

John R. Rice was a strong opponent of the KJO doctrine, although he did not make it a matter of hatred.

I had assumed that the fall of FBCH (it went from over 40,000 to less than 6,000) to the Dave Hyles scandal exploding in Jack Hyles' face. But if Rice or Jones Sr. had still been alive, they might have been able to stop it.

No one is perfect, but Jerry Falwell did manage to figure out what was going on. He got out of TV evangelism, started seeking accreditation, never had a scandal, worked with Godly Southern Baptists, had Billy Graham as a speaker, ignored BJU, and (to put it bluntly)  got farther away from Hyles. Years after Falwell's death, his church and iniversity are doing great.

Good point, brother. I remember back in the late 70s and early 80s hearing some of the uber-fundys preach against Jerry Falwell. I think there was also some literature published about him supposedly abandoning fundamentalism to cozy-up with the Southern Baptists. Similar tripe to what was said (and wrote) about Billy Graham back in the 1960s.

Thanks for the info about Falwell. I had forgotten about him. And you're right...the legacy of Thomas Road/Liberty lives on, whereas FBCH/HAC has been fraught with scandal for years.
 
no value said:
Thanks for the info about Falwell. I had forgotten about him. And you're right...the legacy of Thomas Road/Liberty lives on, whereas FBCH/HAC has been fraught with scandal for years.

I don't recall HAC ever having a murder committed in the dorms though.
 
Smellin Coffee said:
no value said:
So where is the IFB movement today? More of a laughing-stock and a punching-bag among the evangelical crowd.

Having been a part of the "evangelical crowd" the last 20 years, I beg to differ. IFB is not as nearly on the evangelical radar screen as is the Southern Baptists. I would contend that any IFB visibility went away from the evangelical radar with the passing of Falwell. With Hyles? Most evangelicals I knew (even in the NW Indiana area, having lived there at the time) had not even heard of him when he died.

I tend to agree with you. Some of the evangelicals I spoken with had never heard of Hyles, or was only marginaly acquainted with his preaching/school. That being said, IFBs, IMO have taken a big hit in the last several years in the loss of crediblity with the sex scandals of their "leadership." I know broad-brush judgments are wrong, but that still does stop people from making blanket judgments.

I'm not sure where you reside, but years ago around here we were infested with churches pastored by HAC-grads. And when Dave Hyles hit the rocks, that's all that was talked. There's still a few "Hyles" churches around my area, and, boy did the rumor mill get cranked up when Schaap fell.
 
Coffee, you bring up a surprising point. Nearly all of the retired Gringos here in Mexico (Baptists, AOG, Presbyterians) have heard of Jerry Falwell, and most are positive on him. Even some of the Mexican Christians have heard of him.

But until Nancy and I arrived, no one had even heard of Jack Hyles.
 
Vince Massi said:
Coffee, you bring up a surprising point. Nearly all of the retired Gringos here in Mexico (Baptists, AOG, Presbyterians) have heard of Jerry Falwell, and most are positive on him. Even some of the Mexican Christians have heard of him.

But until Nancy and I arrived, no one had even heard of Jack Hyles.

I don't think there is any debate that more people have heard of Falwell than Hyles.  Falwell had a television ministry.  Falwell founded the Moral Majority and was in the news because of it.
 
RAIDER said:
I don't think there is any debate that more people have heard of Falwell than Hyles.  Falwell had a television ministry.  Falwell founded the Moral Majority and was in the news because of it.

Don't forget that he tried to resuscitate the PTL Club after Bakker's demise. That put him on the evangelical radar for sure. 
 
Smellin Coffee said:
no value said:
Thanks for the info about Falwell. I had forgotten about him. And you're right...the legacy of Thomas Road/Liberty lives on, whereas FBCH/HAC has been fraught with scandal for years.

I don't recall HAC ever having a murder committed in the dorms though.

I do seem to recall a student that committed murders in Merrillville and Rensselaer.
 
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