Hyles, Inter-racial marriage, and Racism

[Exell]

I am curious what others think of this:
http://www.independentbaptist.com/2013/05/separation-from-unbelievers-in-marriage/

Here is one young IFB pastor's take on it:
http://ryan-hayden.com/a-racist-article-on-independentbaptist-com/?fb_source=pubv1

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=IFB X-Files]Is it racism to be concerned when a car full of Negros ("black" is not a race) drive around your neighborhood at night?[/quote]

Outside of extenuating circumstances, yes.

[quote author=IFB X-Files]Is it racism to be nervous when a few Muslim men board the same plane you're on?[/quote]

Outside of extenuating circumstances, yes.

[quote author=IFB X-Files]Is it racism when you're walking a dark street, and a Negro comes up behind you?  (hey, I'd get nervous if it was CF!)[/quote]

Outside of extenuating circumstances, yes.

[quote author=IFB X-Files]No, it's not.  It's just common sense based on experience.[/quote]

Wrong. It's racism.

rac·ism 
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Noun

    The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
    Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

[quote author=IFB X-Files]Hyles' article is full of flaws as he makes points the scriptures do not make.  On this, the other gentleman is correct.  Hyles IS correct that saved should not marry lost.[/quote]

The he should make that case, not the other.

[quote author=IFB X-Files]Negros and Caucasians are all gentiles.  Should they intermarry?  That's up to them and if they do I respect that.  Personally, I do not agree with it because of the stigma it brings, especially for the children.  But that's just my "preference".  It's not Bible doctrine and I wouldn't waste 5 seconds arguing about it.[/quote]

You realize that stigma has all but vanished for the majority of people, right?

[quote author=IFB X-Files]We also need to consider that God is a god of seperation and division.  We need to heed what God says about all we do.[/quote]

And that separation isn't based on what someone looks like. What a horribly unGodly viewpoint.

 

[graceandtruth]

It seems that God is more interested in unity and reconciliation than separation as I read the Scriptures. 

The interracial marriage issues in IFB circles is nothing more than racism.  It is not founded in Scripture or in a compassion for the families resulting from these unions.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

[quote author=IFB X-Files]We also need to consider that God is a god of seperation and division.  We need to heed what God says about all we do.

And that separation isn't based on what someone looks like. What a horribly unGodly viewpoint.

LOL!  You never fail to disappoint!  But you're right.  I have no idea what you look like but I want to stay as far away from you as possible!

So, according to YOU, God being a god of seperation and division is being "ungodly".  Thank you for your insight.  Are you and Smellin' brothers?
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For the record, I have one brother and he has never posted on any of the FFF forums. I have no idea who rsc2a is.

I will add this. I agree with him on his points in this thread.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=IFB X-Files]So, according to YOU, God being a god of seperation and division is being "ungodly".  Thank you for your insight.  Are you and Smellin' brothers?[/quote]

No. According to ME, separating from someone solely based on what they look like is unGodly. But I shouldn't be surprised at the confusion at someone who plainly stated they are racist.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I will add this. I agree with him on his points in this thread.

No surprise there.  Birds of a feather, eh?

Seriously, if you have an issue with me, let's discuss it. Would love to know what it is about me that bothers you.

 

[graceandtruth]

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Is it racism to be concerned when a car full of Negros ("black" is not a race) drive around your neighborhood at night?

Is it racism when you're walking a dark street, and a Negro comes up behind you?  (hey, I'd get nervous if it was CF!)

No, it's not.  It's just common sense based on experience.

I found your questions interesting.  Based on my experience I would not be overtly concerned about African-Americans (the preferred term) in either of these situations.  This is true considering that African-American males are more likely to die by the hands of  African-American male than anything else.  Now if it was a car full of European-Americans or a European-American coming up behind me in the dark then I would be concerned.

I think experience is the key to my reaction.  I know African-Americans not as the media portrays them as thugs, criminals, etc.
I know them as brothers, fathers, husbands, sons, neighbors, friends, preachers, musicians, etc.  Experience does wonders to our perception of people.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Seriously, if you have an issue with me, let's discuss it. Would love to know what it is about me that bothers you.

No need.  I read enough of your postings on the old forum to know what you are.  You've been nice here on this one.  I hope it stays that way.

I wasn't nice on the other forum?

By the way, I'm Dan Barber in case you didn't know. Did we know one another in Hammond?

 

[rsc2a]

Really, you should read more (or just ask). My personal text is taken from a series of books by SJ Parris and is meant to be ironic.

 

[BALAAM]

The man who wrote the article in the OP (jh) also used to tell us that when we went soul-winning in dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago that we were under "divine protection."  It never occurred to me until just a couple of months ago that when he stepped from his car to enter the church and all the way to his office, when he left the pulpit to go back to his office, when he drove home, when he drove to church from his home, he was under the protection of a litany of security guards!

Seriously, I loved the man and miss him but I have come to take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt. Where I used to take everything he said as gospel truth.

 

[RAIDER]

Seriously, if you have an issue with me, let's discuss it. Would love to know what it is about me that bothers you.

No need.  I read enough of your postings on the old forum to know what you are.  You've been nice here on this one.  I hope it stays that way.

IFB X-Files, you and I are much closer on our beliefs than Smellin and me.  On the old FFF Smellin calmly discussed some very different beliefs on several Scriptural issues.  I do not agree with Smellin and I believe he is heading down a trail of deep error on his beliefs.  With that said, Smellin has never been anything but nice.  He has calmly voiced his opinion and discussed his point of view.  Isn't that part of what the FFF is all about?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

[quote author=IFB X-Files]Is it racism to be concerned when a car full of Negros ("black" is not a race) drive around your neighborhood at night?

Outside of extenuating circumstances, yes.

[quote author=IFB X-Files]Is it racism to be nervous when a few Muslim men board the same plane you're on?[/quote]

Outside of extenuating circumstances, yes.

[quote author=IFB X-Files]Is it racism when you're walking a dark street, and a Negro comes up behind you?  (hey, I'd get nervous if it was CF!)[/quote]

Outside of extenuating circumstances, yes.

[quote author=IFB X-Files]No, it's not.  It's just common sense based on experience.[/quote]

Wrong. It's racism.

rac·ism 
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Noun

    The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
    Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

[quote author=IFB X-Files]Hyles' article is full of flaws as he makes points the scriptures do not make.  On this, the other gentleman is correct.  Hyles IS correct that saved should not marry lost.[/quote]

The he should make that case, not the other.

[quote author=IFB X-Files]Negros and Caucasians are all gentiles.  Should they intermarry?  That's up to them and if they do I respect that.  Personally, I do not agree with it because of the stigma it brings, especially for the children.  But that's just my "preference".  It's not Bible doctrine and I wouldn't waste 5 seconds arguing about it.[/quote]

You realize that stigma has all but vanished for the majority of people, right?

[quote author=IFB X-Files]We also need to consider that God is a god of seperation and division.  We need to heed what God says about all we do.[/quote]

And that separation isn't based on what someone looks like. What a horribly unGodly viewpoint.
[/quote]

I thought ifb x-files was right on.
Care to support your position rsc2a?

The definition you provided doesn't apply to the situations given.

Being scared of someone because of their race is neither "discrimination" or "prejudice" which is the definition you provided.

Whether you want to believe it or not, in America believing in facts is not racist.
And the facts say that most terrorists are Muslims and that most violent crimes in some areas of the country are committed by black people. Being aware of these facts does not make me racist.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Darkwing Duck]I thought ifb x-files was right on.
Care to support your position rsc2a?

The definition you provided doesn't apply to the situations given.

Being scared of someone because of their race is neither "discrimination" or "prejudice" which is the definition you provided.[/quote]

That is an explicit example of racism. You are judging an entire group of people by the way they look.

[quote author=Darkwing Duck]Whether you want to believe it or not, in America believing in facts is not racist.[/quote]

No, but lumping a bunch of people into a group based on "race" and thinking they are inferior or superior is racism. Like your examples below...

[quote author=Darkwing Duck]And the facts say that most terrorists are Muslims...[/quote]

Without making you prove this statement (good luck with that)...

[quote author=Darkwing Duck]...and that most violent crimes in some areas of the country are committed by some black people. Being aware of these facts does not make me racist.[/quote]

Yes...those underlined words...that's why it's a racist statement. (along with the bolded word I added).

 

[graceandtruth]

[quote author=Darkwing Duck]I thought ifb x-files was right on.
Care to support your position rsc2a?

The definition you provided doesn't apply to the situations given.

Being scared of someone because of their race is neither "discrimination" or "prejudice" which is the definition you provided.

That is an explicit example of racism. You are judging an entire group of people by the way they look.

[quote author=Darkwing Duck]Whether you want to believe it or not, in America believing in facts is not racist.[/quote]

No, but lumping a bunch of people into a group based on "race" and thinking they are inferior or superior is racism. Like your examples below...

[quote author=Darkwing Duck]And the facts say that most terrorists are Muslims...[/quote]

Without making you prove this statement (good luck with that)...

[quote author=Darkwing Duck]...and that most violent crimes in some areas of the country are committed by some black people. Being aware of these facts does not make me racist.[/quote]

Yes...those underlined words...that's why it's a racist statement. (along with the bolded word I added).
[/quote]

You nailed this one rsc2a. 

 

[Boomer]

I live in a small, rural central Illinois town. The whole town is white. Someone broke into my shed and stole things out of it. Someone also broke into my car and stole my Garmin.

I wonder how that happened without any black people around???


/s

 

[Just John]

Most terrorists appear to be Muslims...but most Muslims, especially in the US, don't appear to be terrorists.

Violent crime is committed disproportionately higher by African Americans. Not all African Americans commit violent crimes.

White-collar crime is committed at a higher proportion of white people.

Are they any different as individuals from one another?

Does God love any group better than another?

Does God fear any of them more than another?

Is there really any place in the bible that says that biblical "separation" is based on race?

I work with some amazing black women who have the most trying and difficult lives but you would never know it by their cheerful countenance and superb work ethic. I work with some really lazy black people....and some really lazy white people!

If God is not a respecter of people why do we have the right to be?

 

[myeyesareopen]

If God is not a respecter of people why do we have the right to be?

Amen!

 

[16KJV11]

Seriously, if you have an issue with me, let's discuss it. Would love to know what it is about me that bothers you.

No need.  I read enough of your postings on the old forum to know what you are.  You've been nice here on this one.  I hope it stays that way.

smellin coffee was always one of the nicest posters ever on the old forum.. ..  even in the midst of disagreements... ??? .. . at least that;s how i always saw him... ....  couldn;t say that for some of those who he does agree with.. ... a few of them are skunks..... . but at least smellin coffee was always respectful and cordial himself..... imho...  :-\

I have to agree, even if he is a wayward Hacker!

 

[RAIDER]

Seriously, if you have an issue with me, let's discuss it. Would love to know what it is about me that bothers you.

No need.  I read enough of your postings on the old forum to know what you are.  You've been nice here on this one.  I hope it stays that way.

smellin coffee was always one of the nicest posters ever on the old forum.. ..  even in the midst of disagreements... ??? .. . at least that;s how i always saw him... ....  couldn;t say that for some of those who he does agree with.. ... a few of them are skunks..... . but at least smellin coffee was always respectful and cordial himself..... imho...  :-\

I have to agree, even if he is a wayward Hacker!

That would be a "stinkin' wayward Hacker"!!