How's that working out for you, Florida?

[redgreen5]

 

[redgreen5]

And of course, the current corrupt Republican governor of Florida - you know, Rick Scott - the guy who defrauded the government of millions of dollars?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Scott

On March 19, 1997, investigators from the FBI, the Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Health and Human Services served search warrants at Columbia/HCA facilities in El Paso and on dozens of doctors with suspected ties to the company.[21] The Columbia/HCA board of directors pressured Scott to resign as Chairman and CEO following the inquiry.[22] He was paid $9.88 million in a settlement. He also left owning 10 million shares of stock worth over $350 million.[23][24][25] In 1999, Columbia/HCA changed its name back to HCA, Inc.

In settlements reached in 2000 and 2002, Columbia/HCA pled guilty to 14 felonies and agreed to a $600+ million fine in the largest fraud settlement in US history. Columbia/HCA admitted systematically overcharging the government by claiming marketing costs as reimbursable, by striking illegal deals with home care agencies, and by filing false data about use of hospital space. They also admitted fraudulently billing Medicare and other health programs by inflating the seriousness of diagnoses and to giving doctors partnerships in company hospitals as a kickback for the doctors referring patients to HCA. They filed false cost reports, fraudulently billing Medicare for home health care workers, and paid kickbacks in the sale of home health agencies and to doctors to refer patients. In addition, they gave doctors "loans" never intending to be repaid, free rent, free office furniture, and free drugs from hospital pharmacies.[4][5][6][7][8]

In late 2002, HCA agreed to pay the U.S. government $631 million, plus interest, and pay $17.5 million to state Medicaid agencies, in addition to $250 million paid up to that point to resolve outstanding Medicare expense claims.[26] In all, civil law suits cost HCA more than $2 billion to settle, by far the largest fraud settlement in US history.[27]

Well it was his wife's company who benefitted from the contract for drug screening.  Imagine that.

 

[Izdaari]

I agree about the drug testing. Very expensive, little positive result. Not worth it.

No comment on the governor. I don't know or care much about him, and don't have to, not being a Floridian.

 

[Castor Muscular]

A bit of reality for your fantasy:

The graphic doesn't reflect the unknown number of would-be welfare applicants who will not apply for welfare anymore because they are on drugs.  In the first 3 or 4 months, 1,600 declined to take the drug test.  That's a lot of money saved, and it doesn't even count all those who simply didn't apply because they knew they'd fail.  Unfortunately, there's no way to measure that. 

The graphic also doesn't reflect the fact that tests occur each month, but those who are disqualified are disqualified for a year's worth of welfare, so the savings for one person denied occur for an entire year. 

 

[redgreen5]

A bit of reality for your fantasy:

You wouldn't know reality if it walked in the room on four legs and bit you in the @ss.

The graphic doesn't reflect the unknown number of would-be welfare applicants who will not apply for welfare anymore because they are on drugs. 

Here's some reality back for you: since you admit that the number is unknown, you have no idea if that's a lot of people or a little.

In the first 3 or 4 months, 1,600 declined to take the drug test.  That's a lot of money saved,

Is it?  We'll test that little claim in a moment.

Furthermore, you don't know *why* they declined.  Some did it out of sheer principle (a strange concept for a conservative):
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/24/2470519/florida-welfare-drug-testing-halted.html

The American Civil Liberties Union sued the state last month on behalf of Luis Lebron, a 35-year-old Navy veteran and single father from Orlando who is finishing his college degree.
Lebron met all the criteria for receiving welfare, but refused to submit to a drug test on the grounds that requiring him to pay for and submit to one is unreasonable when there is no reason to believe he uses drugs.

Others had financial reasons:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/10/1597_welfare_applicants_declin.html

Proponents of the law have suggested applicants would be deterred because they knew they would test positive. Critics say applicants may not have taken the test because they couldn

 

[T-Bone]

A bit of reality for your fantasy:

You wouldn't know reality if it walked in the room on four legs and bit you in the @ss.

The graphic doesn't reflect the unknown number of would-be welfare applicants who will not apply for welfare anymore because they are on drugs. 

Here's some reality back for you: since you admit that the number is unknown, you have no idea if that's a lot of people or a little.

In the first 3 or 4 months, 1,600 declined to take the drug test.  That's a lot of money saved,

Is it?  We'll test that little claim in a moment.

Furthermore, you don't know *why* they declined.  Some did it out of sheer principle (a strange concept for a conservative):
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/24/2470519/florida-welfare-drug-testing-halted.html

The American Civil Liberties Union sued the state last month on behalf of Luis Lebron, a 35-year-old Navy veteran and single father from Orlando who is finishing his college degree.
Lebron met all the criteria for receiving welfare, but refused to submit to a drug test on the grounds that requiring him to pay for and submit to one is unreasonable when there is no reason to believe he uses drugs.

Others had financial reasons:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/10/1597_welfare_applicants_declin.html

Proponents of the law have suggested applicants would be deterred because they knew they would test positive. Critics say applicants may not have taken the test because they couldn

 

[redgreen5]

[quote author=T-Bonehead]
Tell you what: as soon as we see the CEOs of banks and mortgage companies having to piss in a cup to receive taxpayer welfare, that's when I'll have a little more sympathy for it. Until that time, the program in Florida is unconstitutional.


Once again Redgreen starts his reply exhibiting his un-natural affinity for other men's backsides!  What a strange little man.
[/quote]

I swear I can't believe the level of retarded comments from the rightwing posters here like Bonehead. Apparently he's clueless about basic biology as well. 
Men pissing has nothing to do with their backsides.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=T-Bonehead]
Tell you what: as soon as we see the CEOs of banks and mortgage companies having to piss in a cup to receive taxpayer welfare, that's when I'll have a little more sympathy for it. Until that time, the program in Florida is unconstitutional.


Once again Redgreen starts his reply exhibiting his un-natural affinity for other men's backsides!  What a strange little man.

I swear I can't believe the level of retarded comments from the rightwing posters here like Bonehead. Apparently he's clueless about basic biology as well. 
Men pissing has nothing to do with their backsides.
[/quote]

"start" ≠ "end"

 

[T-Bone]

Clearly comprehension of reality is not Redgreen's strong suit...not suprising.

 

[redgreen5]

[quote author=T-Bonehead]Comprehension of reality is not Redgreen's strong suit...not suprising.
[/quote]

I understand far more than you ever will, Goat Boy.

 

[T-Bone]

[quote author=T-Bonehead]Comprehension of reality is not Redgreen's strong suit...not suprising.

I understand far more than you ever will, Goat Boy.
[/quote]

Yeah you proved that with your above response...ROFL!

 

[redgreen5]

[quote author=T-Bonehead]
Yeah you proved that with your above response...ROFL!
[/quote]

Your misperceptions are nobody's problem but your own.

 

[T-Bone]

[quote author=T-Bonehead]
Yeah you proved that with your above response...ROFL!

Your misperceptions are nobody's problem but your own.
[/quote]

Look what you posted above libtard...or was that not you that made the statement about my response to yours?  Oh it was probably some mean conservative who took over your computer for a minute and posted that, cause you couldn't be mistaken, even when you are proven to be mistaken by your own post.  You are like your daddy!

 

[redgreen5]

[quote author=T-Bonehead]

Look what you posted [/quote]

I already have. The statement stands: your misperceptions are your own.

or was that not you that made the statement about my response to yours?

Of course I made it.

But telling someone that they are so sleazy that they wouldn't recognize  reality if it bit them in the @ss does not demonstrate any fascination with men's backsides. That is your misperception.
My comment merely demonstrates that someone is too corrupt and stupid to acknowledge reality when it is patently obvious and impossible to avoid.

As I told you: this is your misperception, and you are responsible for it. Not me.

 

[GenX]

I understand that when people ally for these benefits are basically rock bottom, and unable to pay for the drugs. However, implementing drug testing during the lifecycle of getting state support would seem most feasible. Requiring drug testing beforehand makes little sense.

 

[T-Bone]

[quote author=T-Bonehead]

Look what you posted

I already have. The statement stands: your misperceptions are your own.

or was that not you that made the statement about my response to yours?

Of course I made it.

But telling someone that they are so sleazy that they wouldn't recognize  reality if it bit them in the @ss does not demonstrate any fascination with men's backsides. That is your misperception.
My comment merely demonstrates that someone is too corrupt and stupid to acknowledge reality when it is patently obvious and impossible to avoid.

As I told you: this is your misperception, and you are responsible for it. Not me.
[/quote]

Your own post above proves you are lying and misrepresenting what you are now saying...you just can't admit you were wrong or responsible for your wrong...just like your daddy!

 

[redgreen5]

[quote author=T-Bonehead]

Of course I made it.

But telling someone that they are so sleazy that they wouldn't recognize  reality if it bit them in the @ss does not demonstrate any fascination with men's backsides. That is your misperception.
My comment merely demonstrates that someone is too corrupt and stupid to acknowledge reality when it is patently obvious and impossible to avoid.

As I told you: this is your misperception, and you are responsible for it. Not me.


Your own post above proves you are lying and misrepresenting [/quote]

My own post proves my point, no lies at all.

You on the other hand, tried to draw a connection where none existed.  Now that it's been pointed out to you, you lack the courage to admit your mistake.
As I said: you're a coward.  Add that to being a liar, and you really are kinda scummy overall.

 

[T-Bone]

[quote author=T-Bonehead]

Of course I made it.

But telling someone that they are so sleazy that they wouldn't recognize  reality if it bit them in the @ss does not demonstrate any fascination with men's backsides. That is your misperception.
My comment merely demonstrates that someone is too corrupt and stupid to acknowledge reality when it is patently obvious and impossible to avoid.

As I told you: this is your misperception, and you are responsible for it. Not me.


Your own post above proves you are lying and misrepresenting

My own post proves my point, no lies at all.

You on the other hand, tried to draw a connection where none existed.  Now that it's been pointed out to you, you lack the courage to admit your mistake.
As I said: you're a coward.  Add that to being a liar, and you really are kinda scummy overall.
[/quote]

There you go transferring things again.....you just can't stand that your descriptions paint a self-portrait...so you transfer them, just like your daddy!

 

[Izdaari]

What's all this back and forth insulting nonsense!? 

Can you guys please just STOP. It makes the signal-to-noise ratio of the board very bad, and from my perspective, not worth reading.

 

[T-Bone]

What's all this back and forth insulting nonsense!? 

Can you guys please just STOP. It makes the signal-to-noise ratio of the board very bad, and from my perspective, not worth reading.

For you I will reduce my "signal-to-noise" ratio...