How do you get young/new Christians to serve?

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Our VBS kicked off this week.  Preparations and work began and ran through all of last week.  Prior to our VBS work week we solicited volunteers from the congregation to assist in the program and preparation.  A whole lot of the volunteer work was done by older people, many of whom are limited by their age and health issues.  Young people often sit idly by and let the aged do the work of the ministry for them.  I was exactly that way when I was first saved as a young man, so I know a little about the dymamics of the situation.  Young people are trying to find their identity, in their family, work, and yes, even their leisure pursuits, so much so that the church and her ministries take a backseat.  Combine this with the fact that ministry is plain and simple hard work, and many of this young generation were never taught the concept of serving others (only self, much like I tacitly was taught as well), and it's like pulling teeth to get young people to set aside any time to serve (even temporarily like in VBS).  I sometimes wonder if our approach is not forceful enough.  In other words, maybe rather than softly requesting (feels more like begging) volunteer help generally via announcements from the pulpit, maybe we should go to each of them privately and be more admant in our persuasion that they help.  I remember when I was a young man and first began truly growing in the Lord that I had several elderly men come to me in such a manner and suggest I run for deacon, teach a class, or help in the church.  Truthfully, I sort of resented it at first, but I knew that they were right in soliciting my help in the ministry, and eventually succombed to such pressure, repenting of my self-centeredness, and began slowly giving my time and life more and more over to the Lord.  Anyhoo....


How do you endeavor to get young/new Christians to take up serving the Lord in your church?
 
Disciple the convert to the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
A 5 million volt cattle prod will do the trick. 

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Serve tables? Tennis? Table tennis?
 
That can be difficult, because SOMETIMES the old timers seem to be entrenched in their positions and the younger set don't believe they are needed or wanted. Same thing in regular weekly ministry...the same people do what they have done for years...play the same roles they have played for years and the perception is that it's hard to 'break into" leadership roles.

We have tried to put term limits on many positions in ministry.
For instance, we try not to use the same people in the same post 2 years in a row in VBS.
 
Did you ever consider that young people are bustin' it with work, young children, etc. There are genuine constraints on time due to people's schedules. Besides, do you really want workers who you have to twist there arm to be there?


ChuckBob
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
That can be difficult, because SOMETIMES the old timers seem to be entrenched in their positions and the younger set don't believe they are needed or wanted. Same thing in regular weekly ministry...the same people do what they have done for years...play the same roles they have played for years and the perception is that it's hard to 'break into" leadership roles.

We have tried to put term limits on many positions in ministry.
For instance, we try not to use the same people in the same post 2 years in a row in VBS.

I agree with you 100% If you look at most churches every single ministry is ran or taught by people that are 40 or older. The younger generation is not given the opportunity or training to do those same positions. So because of that they find other things to fill their time. I think that if you want to get everyone involved you have to make it available to everyone even at early ages of teenagers and some instances even younger.
 
Castor Muscular said:
A 5 million volt cattle prod will do the trick. 

We're on a limited budget.

Tarheel Baptist said:
That can be difficult, because SOMETIMES the old timers seem to be entrenched in their positions and the younger set don't believe they are needed or wanted. Same thing in regular weekly ministry...the same people do what they have done for years...play the same roles they have played for years and the perception is that it's hard to 'break into" leadership roles.

We have tried to put term limits on many positions in ministry.
For instance, we try not to use the same people in the same post 2 years in a row in VBS.

I think we may have different dynamics at play.  Your church has QUITE a bit more resources and congregants.  I could see your problem being one that needs attention when you have so many people that you don't know what to do with them all.  We have the opposite problem.  Young people only come to one service a week (if that) and that helps them salve their conscience that they've done their duty to God so the rest of their time is theirs to do whatever they wish.

Chuckbob said:
Did you ever consider that young people are bustin' it with work, young children, etc. There are genuine constraints on time due to people's schedules.

My wife and I both work fulltime jobs, and have a small child that has plenty of stuff to keep us busy, but those things shouldn't replace service and ministry for the Lord.

Chuckbob said:
Besides, do you really want workers who you have to twist there arm to be there?

No, I don't want to twist their arm.  I want them to serve the Lord because He is worthy to be served, but too often they'd rather chase after any idle pursuit rather than serve the one who gave His life for their souls.  I was there at one time, and know that somebody made an investment to "twist my arm", and I'm glad they did. 
 
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Chuckbob said:
Did you ever consider that young people are bustin' it with work, young children, etc. There are genuine constraints on time due to people's schedules.

My wife and I both work fulltime jobs, and have a small child that has plenty of stuff to keep us busy, but those things shouldn't replace service and ministry for the Lord.[/quote]

Those things are "service and ministry for the Lord."
 
I don't ever ask for help from the pulpit or in the bulletin. I recruit every single worker in every ministry with a one on one conversation. I start them off with something small and see how they handle it. I start when they reach the teen years asking them to help in some capacity somewhere. With new Christians I wait until they have been attending for a couple of months and then ask to help with something small. At the same time, I do preach often that every person in our church ought to be serving in some way. Also, every SS class older than 1st grade has some kind of a class ministry where the kids/teens/adults are involved in some aspect of serving.

Last time I checked 58% of the membership of our church did some type of ministry/service beyond simply showing up and sitting there. I work really, really, really, really hard on that...
 
rsc2a said:
Those things are "service and ministry for the Lord."

The NT models a service for the Lord that is largely local church based. I completely agree with you that being a good father/husband/etc. is serving the Lord at the same time there needs to be some ministry to people outside of one's own family in most cases. And the best way to do that, as I understand the NT, is through the local church.
 
Interesting question, and one I have had to deal with a lot, lately.  Based on my reading of reviews, I believe the book, "The Great Evangelical Recession" by John Dickerson, will deal some with his ideas on that issue.  It makes me even more curious to read some of it.  One of its theses is that we are driving off (not merely losing) our young generation, and frankly, I see that happening.

Anyway, I think John Mark in the NT would be a good example to look at.  Many know him for Paul's acknowledgment in 2Timothy after his dispute with Barnabas.  When you look more closely, you find that John Mark was pretty young.  However, he had been around Christ for awhile, even with those core believers who would gather at his mother's home to pray Peter out of jail.  Before hastily judging him, we should consider the possibility that John Mark just plain wasn't ready for such a big undertaking as a journey to strange countries to minister to Gentiles with different customs, languages, and laws, and putting your life on the line, not being properly prepared. 

I am trying to put together a book on a series of lessons I taught from Hebrews 6 on the Seven First Principles or Foundational Doctrines.  One of those is the "laying on of hands."  Highly interesting, and a volatile subject when you are dealing with an anti-Charismatic group such as we Baptists.  :D  I will not give the whole chapter in this post, but I view "laying on of hands" as the passing on or transferring of something -- be it healing, or the Holy Spirit, or a gift, or a responsibility.  That is why in 1Tim 4:14, Paul would remind Timothy, "Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

Again, in 2Tim 1:6, Paul again reminds Timothy about this.  "Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.  In 1Tim 5:22, Paul shows it to include personal responsibility as he warned,  "Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins."  In sum, don't give people responsibility before they are ready, and impart that wisdom through "hands-on" training.

I like what Tarheel Baptist has to say, and no doubt part of the problem is some folks who make a position for themselves and refuse to change.  But lets go back to John Mark.  Significantly, this young man who failed miserably on his first time out with little preparation and was refused by Paul was still mentored by Barnabas after the breakup of the first missionary team.  Btw, Barnabas was an experienced mentor, involving Saul of Tarsus in ministry when he was a little known and untrusted young Christian.  Later, we find Mark serving with Peter in Babylon.  He is the writer of the Gospel of Mark, probably from Peter's account of the gospel events.  No doubt this process did a lot to mature him.

Paul himself seems to have caught this vision from Barnabas.  Though Barnabas took Mark with him to Cyprus for further "hands-on training," Paul in Acts 15:40 chooses instead to take Silas, who is a seasoned and older Christian originally one of the "chief men among the brethren" (Acts 15:22), a man chosen because of his experience in a "hazarded life" (Acts 15:25-27) and a prophet in his own right (Acts 15:32).  But in Acts 16, he adds a young disciple named Timotheus, whom he puts together with Silas often at the first (Acts 17:14,15; 18:15).  Then he changes that up and sends out Timothy with Erastus to Macedonia in Acts 19:22, and in that verse notice that these two were only a couple among "them that ministered unto him."  By the time you get to Acts 20:4, Paul's collection of young men to train is in full bloom!  There it names 7 that were with "them," and Luke was also with them at the time since he writes this using personal plural pronouns. 

After VBS this summer, I challenged our older adults, who did quite a lot of the work, to use the principle of 1 to 3.  In this way, hopefully each older, spiritually mature adult will take on no more than 3 other younger Christians to spend time with and try to mentor into performing their services.  This helps to "pass down" the experience to another generation of Christians, and also encourages the currently working adults by giving them a sense of leadership and inspires them that they are not alone in their responsibilities.  If we can accomplish this, it will help prevent the overwhelming fear that paralyzes many young Christians from engaging in ministry at first. 

Do you remember when you first drove a car?  You probably did not just take the keys and get in and confidently drive to begin with.  But someone explained a few of the basics to you, finally gave you some keys while they slid over to the passenger seat, and talked you through your early experiences.  And ohhhh, those early experiences!  For me, it was crossing bridges with the rails up on the side, hemming you in.  Then it was the nervousness of passing my first truck, or worse -- having a truck pass me on the left!  But as I drove more, my confidence AND ability increased so that eventually, I didn't need that experienced passenger riding with me.

Rather than blaming the young for understandably being hesitant and "departing from them" and returning to home from Pamphylia, we should look at mentoring and introducing these young and inexperienced but godly Christians into ministry with hands-on training from older, experienced Christians.  A policy which Paul seems to have learned well and put into practice quite effectively. 

From personal experience, I was better prepared to speak when my Pastor had me read Alfred Gibbs' book, The Preacher and His Preaching, and then had an experienced preacher, Bro. Benny Beckum, take me and another fellow and let us wail away behind the pulpit with just him for an audience.  He then was able to help us correct some of our errors and keep us from making screaming fools of ourselves and calling it "preaching" by just flinging us in front of an audience to babble whatever came to mind. 

When our Youth Director taught us soul winning, it was the same way.  Scared?  You bet!  It didn't matter that I had weeks of Abb Thomas' soul winning course and passed the test or had memorized all the scriptures.  That brand new "soul winners marked New Testament" in my pocket was a sorry crutch to lean my shaking knees on.  If Preacher had just dumped us out on a street corner and told us to go knock a door like we had been taught, I would have ran away, I was so scared.  Instead, with each of us, he would take one along and let us be the "silent partner" for a block or so, then let us nervously stammer our greeting at that first door before he took over.  Gradually, we built our confidence up and was finally able to knock a door and present the gospel, mostly without a hitch. (Hey!  It wasn't my fault, and the dog lived!  But my silent partner had to go right home and change his clothes  :D  )

I have had classes in Bus Ministry.  I worked a van route as a teen in my home church (well, sort of, if you call riding in the passenger seat working the route).  I've read Wally Beebe's books, worked on a route at Highland Park when Clarence Sexton was Bus Director, there, and captained one of the furthest routes from Trinity in Jacksonville.  But I learned more by accident from my bus captain at FBCH than I ever learned on purpose or by experience.  Our route was not always the largest during a program, but it was usually the largest in the division over the summer.  When everybody else's fell off because so many students were gone for summer break, this route remained pretty consistent.  And I think we had some of the highest numbers of teens going to City Baptist and on to HAC.  Bro. Joe had 3 "secrets" used to achieve this. 

The first, as far as I know, was done by everybody from Hammond.  On Saturdays, the workers would walk the route all day.  We played ball, had snowball fights, and played hide-n-seek.  Sometimes the kids or the parents would be in a "talky mood," so we just pulled a chair up to the table and talked.  No pressure, just time.  The most valuable lesson was to learn that you accomplish more pastoring your people in their living rooms and at dining tables or on their streets than you can ever do screaming from a pulpit or holed up in an air conditioned office.  The second secret was to take some of the teens soul winning on some Saturdays, involving them in the ministry and seeing them grow in their walk with the LORD.

The last secret was to use our faithful teens.  Of course we were taught about "the program on the bus."  Bro. Joe usually had us running the route during pick up, or taking kids to their door during drop off, or sitting amongst the unruly crowd, or just wrestling with them in the back of the bus.  It was often the teens that led the singing, taught the verses, and told the stories.  This did a lot to free up Bro. Joe and the driver -- actually all of us -- during pickups and drop-offs especially -- to administrate the route. And also to develop these younger Christians into ministering outwardly instead of constantly consuming ministry inwardly.  Now, you could not just "have them do it."  He did it himself and taught them how.  He would sing the songs with a teen, give them a few pointers, or have a list of songs ready.  Get them ready with a story on Saturday, or show them how to teach a Bible verse and have them write it on a poster.  All I know is that this worked so that instead of losing all the teens in their senior-high years, that route and that Captain had a high retention rate and sent a lot of them on to Christian School and some even to Bible College.

I suppose there are a lot of different answers to this question.  But I can certainly think of no better Biblical one than those who are doing the work should mentor others into the work, not just you or the pastor as solely responsible.  This relieves the tension and fear in the new ones, and gives the experienced generation an enlarged sense of purpose and a "reset" to living the basics.  If you do not involve your adults in training the following generations, then a congregation will condense, spiraling into an ever-tightening circle of aging adults who feel they are more and more enlightened.  In reality, they are becoming more and more isolated, turning into a limited monastic or elitist style of church.  It seals their doom.

In closing, Paul contended with the Hebrew Christians in Hebrews 5:12 by saying, "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."  Two short ideas.  First, Paul appears to be saying that all Christians should eventually reach a point that they are teaching or mentoring others in the first principles or basic doctrines.  Secondly, these mature Christians who were raised on the Word of God and familiar with the Law, the Prophets, Poetry, Songs & Historical Examples can return to a point of actually NEEDING the sustaining milk of God's word instead of strong meat.  When a congregation becomes too elite and "mature" to reach out and include new Christians just beginning where they started their own Christian walk years before, and nurture them, then they deceive themselves into thinking they are strong and only need meat.  They really need the milk, the basics -- a reminder that the most important thing is our foundation, not the edifice we have built over time.

So, I would recommend attempting to direct your adults to enroll and mentor new Christians and young people in general.  Instead of your own direct and forceful persuasion, mentor your experienced Christians under you to go take 2 or 3 others themselves.  "The aged women ... That they may teach the young women ..." (Titus 2:3,4)  It sure seemed to work well for Paul.

*Hat tip </:o)

 
Tom Brennan said:
I don't ever ask for help from the pulpit or in the bulletin. I recruit every single worker in every ministry with a one on one conversation. I start them off with something small and see how they handle it. I start when they reach the teen years asking them to help in some capacity somewhere. With new Christians I wait until they have been attending for a couple of months and then ask to help with something small. At the same time, I do preach often that every person in our church ought to be serving in some way. Also, every SS class older than 1st grade has some kind of a class ministry where the kids/teens/adults are involved in some aspect of serving.

Last time I checked 58% of the membership of our church did some type of ministry/service beyond simply showing up and sitting there. I work really, really, really, really hard on that...

Sometimes people need a personal invitation.  I know I did.  And now I'm quite plugged in.  I love my service to the Lord!
 
Tom Brennan said:
rsc2a said:
Those things are "service and ministry for the Lord."

The NT models a service for the Lord that is largely local church based. I completely agree with you that being a good father/husband/etc. is serving the Lord at the same time there needs to be some ministry to people outside of one's own family in most cases. And the best way to do that, as I understand the NT, is through the local church.

For everything, there is a season. A season to serve and a season to rest. A season to provide and a season to accept. A season to comfort and a season to weep. A season to...
 
Our church has had older workers, too, and they have served faithfully.  Our pastor came here 5 years ago as youth pastor and became our pastor 2.5 years ago at the age 27.  We have had quite a few younger people get involved in serving since he came and this is what was done to encourage people to work.  He started a SS class for new converts/members.  It is an 8-week course.  He also taught a "soul-winning" class.  In both classes, it gave new people a chance to get acquainted and learn.  The "how-to" class equipped people to lead a soul to the Lord and then they were asked to be available to deal with the VBS kids who wanted to know about salvation.  Since they were at VBS anyway, they usually offered to do something else, like help with games.  And most had been in the previously mentioned classes with other new volunteers, so they further developed friendships and enjoyed working together.

Another thing that seems to work is using teams to teach.  A young mother may feel overwhelmed by teaching a class, but it is a great time of much-needed fellowship when she works with someone else.  And it lightens the load when you share the work and switch off with another team.  Some of our classes are taught by teams every other week and one class is taught half year (which was the idea of the 2 teams teaching it). 



 
JrChurch said:
Another thing that seems to work is using teams to teach.  A young mother may feel overwhelmed by teaching a class, but it is a great time of much-needed fellowship when she works with someone else.  And it lightens the load when you share the work and switch off with another team.  Some of our classes are taught by teams every other week and one class is taught half year (which was the idea of the 2 teams teaching it).
That team teaching is an idea I would like to hear more about.  This post now causes me to suffer a twinge of regret that we didn't come see your Church in action that weekend my granddaughter was born. 
 
JrChurch said:
Another thing that seems to work is using teams to teach.  A young mother may feel overwhelmed by teaching a class, but it is a great time of much-needed fellowship when she works with someone else.  And it lightens the load when you share the work and switch off with another team.  Some of our classes are taught by teams every other week and one class is taught half year (which was the idea of the 2 teams teaching it).

Agreed. We use that here, and it develops more workers while at the same time lowering their work load. For several of our classes we do one month on and then one month off.
 
Tom Brennan said:
JrChurch said:
Another thing that seems to work is using teams to teach.  A young mother may feel overwhelmed by teaching a class, but it is a great time of much-needed fellowship when she works with someone else.  And it lightens the load when you share the work and switch off with another team.  Some of our classes are taught by teams every other week and one class is taught half year (which was the idea of the 2 teams teaching it).

Agreed. We use that here, and it develops more workers while at the same time lowering their work load. For several of our classes we do one month on and then one month off.

We use the same concept, especially in our Pre-School Departments.
We also ask people, who accept a position, to do so in 6 month segments, not a never ending commitment.
 
Team teaching is a great concept...sharing the load.  It seems to work in every class except the one I teach  ;D.  We joined  this church in Sept. '96 and in Oct '96 our pastor asked if I would start a junior church class.  I've been teaching it ever since. 
 
JrChurch said:
Our church has had older workers, too, and they have served faithfully.  Our pastor came here 5 years ago as youth pastor and became our pastor 2.5 years ago at the age 27.  We have had quite a few younger people get involved in serving since he came and this is what was done to encourage people to work.  He started a SS class for new converts/members.  It is an 8-week course.  He also taught a "soul-winning" class.  In both classes, it gave new people a chance to get acquainted and learn.  The "how-to" class equipped people to lead a soul to the Lord and then they were asked to be available to deal with the VBS kids who wanted to know about salvation.  Since they were at VBS anyway, they usually offered to do something else, like help with games.  And most had been in the previously mentioned classes with other new volunteers, so they further developed friendships and enjoyed working together.

Another thing that seems to work is using teams to teach.  A young mother may feel overwhelmed by teaching a class, but it is a great time of much-needed fellowship when she works with someone else.  And it lightens the load when you share the work and switch off with another team.  Some of our classes are taught by teams every other week and one class is taught half year (which was the idea of the 2 teams teaching it).

We had tried that in the past, but to be honest, most <younger especially> folk I've encountered don't have the character to be held to perpetual consistent responsibilities NOR even a partnering concept like you describe.  The able-bodied child-rearing aged Christians who come our way are interested in coming to church on Sunday morning (not Sunday School mind you) maybe 2 or three times a month.  They're regular in their irregularity, but don't even count on them to step up to anything besides attending the 11AM Sunday service when they feel like it.
 
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