FBCH Bus Route Ethnicity Quotas

[Willis Athey]

I have some sources at the old church downtown who talk about quotas that were enforced on bus captains regarding certain ethnicities. They say that it was mostly enforced on black bus riders and that bus captains could be disciplined (not real Biblical church discipline of course) for bringing too many "dark" guests. Does anyone have any experiences with this hellish practice at FBCH?


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[TheRealJonStewart]

I have some sources at the old church downtown who talk about quotas that were enforced on bus captains regarding certain ethnicities. They say that it was mostly enforced on black bus riders and that bus captains could be disciplined (not real Biblical church discipline of course) for bringing too many "dark" guests. Does anyone have any experiences with this hellish practice at FBCH?


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So back when Hyles took over the church, some church members were angry that Hyles were bringing "Negro" children onto the church property. Hyles continued to bring poor children and was lambasted by the vast-majority white congregation.

 

[Willis Athey]

I have some sources at the old church downtown who talk about quotas that were enforced on bus captains regarding certain ethnicities. They say that it was mostly enforced on black bus riders and that bus captains could be disciplined (not real Biblical church discipline of course) for bringing too many "dark" guests. Does anyone have any experiences with this hellish practice at FBCH?


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So back when Hyles took over the church, some church members were angry that Hyles were bringing "Negro" children onto the church property. Hyles continued to bring poor children and was lambasted by the vast-majority white congregation.

This is utter BS. Are you a member of the old gulag downtown?


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[TheRealJonStewart]

I have some sources at the old church downtown who talk about quotas that were enforced on bus captains regarding certain ethnicities. They say that it was mostly enforced on black bus riders and that bus captains could be disciplined (not real Biblical church discipline of course) for bringing too many "dark" guests. Does anyone have any experiences with this hellish practice at FBCH?


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So back when Hyles took over the church, some church members were angry that Hyles were bringing "Negro" children onto the church property. Hyles continued to bring poor children and was lambasted by the vast-majority white congregation.

This is utter BS. Are you a member of the old gulag downtown?


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Racism was a big deal in 1960s bro.

 

[Willis Athey]

I have some sources at the old church downtown who talk about quotas that were enforced on bus captains regarding certain ethnicities. They say that it was mostly enforced on black bus riders and that bus captains could be disciplined (not real Biblical church discipline of course) for bringing too many "dark" guests. Does anyone have any experiences with this hellish practice at FBCH?


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So back when Hyles took over the church, some church members were angry that Hyles were bringing "Negro" children onto the church property. Hyles continued to bring poor children and was lambasted by the vast-majority white congregation.

This is utter BS. Are you a member of the old gulag downtown?


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Racism was a big deal in 1960s bro.

You would know. Anyway, this quota stuff was happening in the 80's & 90's and was directed by Jackie Boy. One person I spoke to about this said that this was the last straw--Roy Moffitt was blowing a gasket one Sunday morning saying that Hyles was gonna rip him a new one for allowing that many blacks on an A bus route!  Crazy stuff, Stew!


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[TheRealJonStewart]

I have some sources at the old church downtown who talk about quotas that were enforced on bus captains regarding certain ethnicities. They say that it was mostly enforced on black bus riders and that bus captains could be disciplined (not real Biblical church discipline of course) for bringing too many "dark" guests. Does anyone have any experiences with this hellish practice at FBCH?


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So back when Hyles took over the church, some church members were angry that Hyles were bringing "Negro" children onto the church property. Hyles continued to bring poor children and was lambasted by the vast-majority white congregation.

This is utter BS. Are you a member of the old gulag downtown?


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Racism was a big deal in 1960s bro.

You would know. Anyway, this quota stuff was happening in the 80's & 90's and was directed by Jackie Boy. One person I spoke to about this said that this was the last straw--Roy Moffitt was blowing a gasket one Sunday morning saying that Hyles was gonna rip him a new one for allowing that many blacks on an A bus route!  Crazy stuff, Stew!


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Actually this quota was happening well before the 80s. Hyles would constantly bring "negro" children on the bus from Chicago and were according to the rich upper class white congregants "dirtying up the church carpet". This was in the beginning of Hyles' pastorate at Hammond. eventually all those members left because they didn't want to sit in the same row as a poor person.

 

[Willis Athey]

I have some sources at the old church downtown who talk about quotas that were enforced on bus captains regarding certain ethnicities. They say that it was mostly enforced on black bus riders and that bus captains could be disciplined (not real Biblical church discipline of course) for bringing too many "dark" guests. Does anyone have any experiences with this hellish practice at FBCH?


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So back when Hyles took over the church, some church members were angry that Hyles were bringing "Negro" children onto the church property. Hyles continued to bring poor children and was lambasted by the vast-majority white congregation.

This is utter BS. Are you a member of the old gulag downtown?


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Racism was a big deal in 1960s bro.

You would know. Anyway, this quota stuff was happening in the 80's & 90's and was directed by Jackie Boy. One person I spoke to about this said that this was the last straw--Roy Moffitt was blowing a gasket one Sunday morning saying that Hyles was gonna rip him a new one for allowing that many blacks on an A bus route!  Crazy stuff, Stew!


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Actually this quota was happening well before the 80s. Hyles would constantly bring "negro" children on the bus from Chicago and were according to the rich upper class white congregants "dirtying up the church carpet". This was in the beginning of Hyles' pastorate at Hammond. eventually all those members left because they didn't want to sit in the same row as a poor person.

Why have quotas in the 80's and 90's then? You're FBCH history isn't too hot--you might want brush up! Did you learn your history from that brilliant book by Cindy Schaap about Jack Frasure? Be careful!


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[Twisted]

.... quotas that were enforced on bus captains regarding certain ethnicities.

FBCH was not alone in such things.

 

[Am80]

Yes. My bus was reprimanded for exceeding the ratio and we had to figure out how to choose which families to ditch and what to tell them. This was somewhere around 2008.

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[banjoplucker]

I can't say for FBC, but NWBBC had up until a few years ago ( I have not been there for a few years), had an "Orange" Count, and you had to have less then 50% Orange.  The funny thing  was when a Black Teen heard them giving the counter their Orange Count and she figured out what it was. 

Having too many Oranges on your bus could cause a captain to be replaced.

I can still remember hearing the counter hollering after a New College student who just gave their total count yelling "HOW MANY ORANGES???"

It is not the ratio as Black/White/Hispanic all have good and bad, it is the fact that you are also punished for not having enough on you bus, so  a captain tends to be less concerned if a child is a trouble maker then not having enough on the bus. 

I worked on buses for 10+ years and I never cared about ratios, but I did not bring kids who I knew would not be controllable just to have high numbers on my route. 

Majority of the time if you sang Brown, Yellow, Orange and White, my route was 70% brown and orange, and I almost never had issues as I was not chasing numbers.  If a kid showed himself to be a trouble maker, He was out (after it was clearly explained why.  My total count my last year averaged 50 a Sunday,.

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

I have some sources at the old church downtown who talk about quotas that were enforced on bus captains regarding certain ethnicities. They say that it was mostly enforced on black bus riders and that bus captains could be disciplined (not real Biblical church discipline of course) for bringing too many "dark" guests. Does anyone have any experiences with this hellish practice at FBCH?


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So back when Hyles took over the church, some church members were angry that Hyles were bringing "Negro" children onto the church property. Hyles continued to bring poor children and was lambasted by the vast-majority white congregation.

This is utter BS. Are you a member of the old gulag downtown?


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Racism was a big deal in 1960s bro.

You would know. Anyway, this quota stuff was happening in the 80's & 90's and was directed by Jackie Boy. One person I spoke to about this said that this was the last straw--Roy Moffitt was blowing a gasket one Sunday morning saying that Hyles was gonna rip him a new one for allowing that many blacks on an A bus route!  Crazy stuff, Stew!


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Actually this quota was happening well before the 80s. Hyles would constantly bring "negro" children on the bus from Chicago and were according to the rich upper class white congregants "dirtying up the church carpet". This was in the beginning of Hyles' pastorate at Hammond. eventually all those members left because they didn't want to sit in the same row as a poor person.

Why have quotas in the 80's and 90's then? You're FBCH history isn't too hot--you might want brush up! Did you learn your history from that brilliant book by Cindy Schaap about Jack Frasure? Be careful!


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Don't know ask Jack Hyles... oops he's dead! haha. Nope I learn my history from an archive of data collection, like the NSA

 

[prophet]

I will attest to the quotas.

I am Native American, and a former associate pastor and staff member at FBCH.

Prior to that, I was an ass.pastor in nearby Gary, IN.

As an assoc.pastor , I helped to start 13 Chapels and pastored several of them for a time.

All of my work was in predominantly Black neighborhoods.

From '99-'01, I was on a Div.16 Bus route, in Bolingbrook/Romeoville, IL.

Here is one of the many heart-breaking stories I experienced:

We had one Black family on our route.

They were a truly middle-class family, in a middle-class neighborhood.
They owned twin black Ford Expeditions, and the father would ask me if they could leave the bus in Romeoville, and drive the Expeditions to church.
Great people.
They had one child who was deformed but mentally normal, and another of their 6 children was mildly retarded, but looked normal.
They fell in love with ministry to the pathfinders/sunbeams, etc., as their kids were ecstatic every week, and had really changed their lives.
One week, a brat from a few blocks away, with a whore single mom who dumped her bastards on us every week, started a fight with a boy his age from the Black family.
I requested the captain to stop bringing the brats, as they were on meds for disorders, and were high all day, and wasting their time.
Instead, the next Sat., I was told by an ashen-faced bus captain, that Ray Young had called him in and told him that the Black family wasn't allowed to come anymore.
Ray Young didn't go to their house.
MTMurray, the B.C., didn't go to the house.
They sent me, the one who brought them in the first place, to "atone for my sins" of bringing "Canadians" to a White Sunday School.

I walked up to the door, weeping, and told the father we couldn't pick them up anymore.
He said, "it's because we are Black, isn't it?"

I still can tell this story without weeping, 18 years later.

I was angry at God for bringing me back to a racist church, that I had gladly left to help start the church in Gary, as I was sick of racism before I left the first time.

A month later, we started the Chapels, and God told me "this is why I brought you back", and I was happy to pour myself into reaching Black South Chicago.

My name is Michael David Ramsey.
This is my story.
It is true.
FBCH has a lot more skeletons in its closet than just DH.



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[Twisted]

I will attest to the quotas.

I am Native American, and a former associate pastor and staff member at FBCH.

Prior to that, I was an ass.pastor in nearby Gary, IN.

As an assoc.pastor , I helped to start 13 Chapels and pastored several of them for a time.

All of my work was in predominantly Black neighborhoods.

From '99-'01, I was on a Div.16 Bus route, in Bolingbrook/Romeoville, IL.

Here is one of the many heart-breaking stories I experienced:

We had one Black family on our route.

They were a truly middle-class family, in a middle-class neighborhood.
They owned twin black Ford Expeditions, and the father would ask me if they could leave the bus in Romeoville, and drive the Expeditions to church.
Great people.
They had one child who was deformed but mentally normal, and another of their 6 children was mildly retarded, but looked normal.
They fell in love with ministry to the pathfinders/sunbeams, etc., as their kids were ecstatic every week, and had really changed their lives.
One week, a brat from a few blocks away, with a whore single mom who dumped her bastards on us every week, started a fight with a boy his age from the Black family.
I requested the captain to stop bringing the brats, as they were on meds for disorders, and were high all day, and wasting their time.
Instead, the next Sat., I was told by an ashen-faced bus captain, that Ray Young had called him in and told him that the Black family wasn't allowed to come anymore.
Ray Young didn't go to their house.
MTMurray, the B.C., didn't go to the house.
They sent me, the one who brought them in the first place, to "atone for my sins" of bringing "Canadians" to a White Sunday School.

I walked up to the door, weeping, and told the father we couldn't pick them up anymore.
He said, "it's because we are Black, isn't it?"

I still can tell this story without weeping, 18 years later.

I was angry at God for bringing me back to a racist church, that I had gladly left to help start the church in Gary, as I was sick of racism before I left the first time.

A month later, we started the Chapels, and God told me "this is why I brought you back", and I was happy to pour myself into reaching Black South Chicago.

My name is Michael David Ramsey.
This is my story.
It is true.
FBCH has a lot more skeletons in its closet than just DH.

Great story.

But you don't look Native American.  What tribe and what percentage?

 

[prophet]

I will attest to the quotas.

I am Native American, and a former associate pastor and staff member at FBCH.

Prior to that, I was an ass.pastor in nearby Gary, IN.

As an assoc.pastor , I helped to start 13 Chapels and pastored several of them for a time.

All of my work was in predominantly Black neighborhoods.

From '99-'01, I was on a Div.16 Bus route, in Bolingbrook/Romeoville, IL.

Here is one of the many heart-breaking stories I experienced:

We had one Black family on our route.

They were a truly middle-class family, in a middle-class neighborhood.
They owned twin black Ford Expeditions, and the father would ask me if they could leave the bus in Romeoville, and drive the Expeditions to church.
Great people.
They had one child who was deformed but mentally normal, and another of their 6 children was mildly retarded, but looked normal.
They fell in love with ministry to the pathfinders/sunbeams, etc., as their kids were ecstatic every week, and had really changed their lives.
One week, a brat from a few blocks away, with a whore single mom who dumped her bastards on us every week, started a fight with a boy his age from the Black family.
I requested the captain to stop bringing the brats, as they were on meds for disorders, and were high all day, and wasting their time.
Instead, the next Sat., I was told by an ashen-faced bus captain, that Ray Young had called him in and told him that the Black family wasn't allowed to come anymore.
Ray Young didn't go to their house.
MTMurray, the B.C., didn't go to the house.
They sent me, the one who brought them in the first place, to "atone for my sins" of bringing "Canadians" to a White Sunday School.

I walked up to the door, weeping, and told the father we couldn't pick them up anymore.
He said, "it's because we are Black, isn't it?"

I still can tell this story without weeping, 18 years later.

I was angry at God for bringing me back to a racist church, that I had gladly left to help start the church in Gary, as I was sick of racism before I left the first time.

A month later, we started the Chapels, and God told me "this is why I brought you back", and I was happy to pour myself into reaching Black South Chicago.

My name is Michael David Ramsey.
This is my story.
It is true.
FBCH has a lot more skeletons in its closet than just DH.

Great story.

But you don't look Native American.  What tribe and what percentage?

You have a picture of me?

That's weird!

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[Twisted]

You have a picture of me?

That's weird!

No, it's called Facebook.

You didn't answer my question.

 

[prophet]

You have a picture of me?

That's weird!

No, it's called Facebook.

You didn't answer my question.

No I didn't, and I'm not going to do so.

Since you are a weirdo stalker, you can find out for yourself.

The real questions are:
Why do you need that information?
What are you going to do with it?
Why are you asking personal questions on this forum?
And ...Why are White People so obnoxious?

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[RAIDER]

I will attest to the quotas.

I am Native American, and a former associate pastor and staff member at FBCH.

Prior to that, I was an ass.pastor in nearby Gary, IN.

As an assoc.pastor , I helped to start 13 Chapels and pastored several of them for a time.

All of my work was in predominantly Black neighborhoods.

From '99-'01, I was on a Div.16 Bus route, in Bolingbrook/Romeoville, IL.

Here is one of the many heart-breaking stories I experienced:

We had one Black family on our route.

They were a truly middle-class family, in a middle-class neighborhood.
They owned twin black Ford Expeditions, and the father would ask me if they could leave the bus in Romeoville, and drive the Expeditions to church.
Great people.
They had one child who was deformed but mentally normal, and another of their 6 children was mildly retarded, but looked normal.
They fell in love with ministry to the pathfinders/sunbeams, etc., as their kids were ecstatic every week, and had really changed their lives.
One week, a brat from a few blocks away, with a whore single mom who dumped her bastards on us every week, started a fight with a boy his age from the Black family.
I requested the captain to stop bringing the brats, as they were on meds for disorders, and were high all day, and wasting their time.
Instead, the next Sat., I was told by an ashen-faced bus captain, that Ray Young had called him in and told him that the Black family wasn't allowed to come anymore.
Ray Young didn't go to their house.
MTMurray, the B.C., didn't go to the house.
They sent me, the one who brought them in the first place, to "atone for my sins" of bringing "Canadians" to a White Sunday School.

I walked up to the door, weeping, and told the father we couldn't pick them up anymore.
He said, "it's because we are Black, isn't it?"

I still can tell this story without weeping, 18 years later.

I was angry at God for bringing me back to a racist church, that I had gladly left to help start the church in Gary, as I was sick of racism before I left the first time.

A month later, we started the Chapels, and God told me "this is why I brought you back", and I was happy to pour myself into reaching Black South Chicago.

My name is Michael David Ramsey.
This is my story.
It is true.
FBCH has a lot more skeletons in its closet than just DH.



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This story breaks my heart.

 

[prophet]

I will attest to the quotas.

I am Native American, and a former associate pastor and staff member at FBCH.

Prior to that, I was an ass.pastor in nearby Gary, IN.

As an assoc.pastor , I helped to start 13 Chapels and pastored several of them for a time.

All of my work was in predominantly Black neighborhoods.

From '99-'01, I was on a Div.16 Bus route, in Bolingbrook/Romeoville, IL.

Here is one of the many heart-breaking stories I experienced:

We had one Black family on our route.

They were a truly middle-class family, in a middle-class neighborhood.
They owned twin black Ford Expeditions, and the father would ask me if they could leave the bus in Romeoville, and drive the Expeditions to church.
Great people.
They had one child who was deformed but mentally normal, and another of their 6 children was mildly retarded, but looked normal.
They fell in love with ministry to the pathfinders/sunbeams, etc., as their kids were ecstatic every week, and had really changed their lives.
One week, a brat from a few blocks away, with a whore single mom who dumped her bastards on us every week, started a fight with a boy his age from the Black family.
I requested the captain to stop bringing the brats, as they were on meds for disorders, and were high all day, and wasting their time.
Instead, the next Sat., I was told by an ashen-faced bus captain, that Ray Young had called him in and told him that the Black family wasn't allowed to come anymore.
Ray Young didn't go to their house.
MTMurray, the B.C., didn't go to the house.
They sent me, the one who brought them in the first place, to "atone for my sins" of bringing "Canadians" to a White Sunday School.

I walked up to the door, weeping, and told the father we couldn't pick them up anymore.
He said, "it's because we are Black, isn't it?"

I still can tell this story without weeping, 18 years later.

I was angry at God for bringing me back to a racist church, that I had gladly left to help start the church in Gary, as I was sick of racism before I left the first time.

A month later, we started the Chapels, and God told me "this is why I brought you back", and I was happy to pour myself into reaching Black South Chicago.

My name is Michael David Ramsey.
This is my story.
It is true.
FBCH has a lot more skeletons in its closet than just DH.



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This story breaks my heart.

I wish it wasn't true.
I wish I could be "proud" of my church heritage.

There is nothing on this earth that caused me more pain, than knocking doors in Chicagoland, and having to hear story after story from strangers, of evil that was done in Jesus's name.

I always knew that I represented Christ, and not FBCH, but it still made my heart sick.

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[Twisted]

You have a picture of me?

That's weird!

No, it's called Facebook.

You didn't answer my question.

No I didn't, and I'm not going to do so.

Since you are a weirdo stalker, you can find out for yourself.

The real questions are:
Why do you need that information?
What are you going to do with it?
Why are you asking personal questions on this forum?
And ...Why are White People so obnoxious?

LOL!  I've heard this line before.  Someone once told me that if you look someone up in the phone book, you're stalking them.

"The real questions are:
Why do you need that information?  We might be of the same tribe.
What are you going to do with it?  Nothing.  Unless someone wants to pay me for it.
Why are you asking personal questions on this forum?  Because you gave personal info on this forum.
And ...Why are White People so obnoxious?"  Asl yourself.  You look whiter than me.

 

[prophet]

You have a picture of me?

That's weird!

No, it's called Facebook.

You didn't answer my question.

No I didn't, and I'm not going to do so.

Since you are a weirdo stalker, you can find out for yourself.

The real questions are:
Why do you need that information?
What are you going to do with it?
Why are you asking personal questions on this forum?
And ...Why are White People so obnoxious?

LOL!  I've heard this line before.  Someone once told me that if you look someone up in the phone book, you're stalking them.

"The real questions are:
Why do you need that information?  We might be of the same tribe.
What are you going to do with it?  Nothing.  Unless someone wants to pay me for it.
Why are you asking personal questions on this forum?  Because you gave personal info on this forum.
And ...Why are White People so obnoxious?"  Asl yourself.  You look whiter than me.

I gave out the info that I chose to give out, because it was relevant to the post, and many of the forum participants know who I am.

All of a sudden you start rattling off unrelated personal questions.

I don't know who you are, or why you are asking, and so you are suspect to me.
Try not coming off as a creep, you'll get further.

Besides, if you stalked me enough, throughout my posts or FB page, you'd find the answers anyway.

For instance, my fff profile pic was hacked my one of my two oldest daughters....You know, the ones with long black hair and brown skin...and I left it that way.

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