Daniel Penny not guilty

I'm curious as to how that jury could be hung on the more serious charge of manslaughter but unanimous for acquittal on the lesser charge of negligent homicide.🤔
 
4everfsu said:
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JURY: DANIEL PENNY NOT GUILTY

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clearly he was trying to do the right thing and the Jury saw that. I see Al Sharpton and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were hoing for a guilty verdict. Even if he had a machine gun they would not have seen the need to intervene.
 
ALAYMAN said:
And acquitted him quickly today after only a couple hours deliberating. And of course the commensurate race-baiting ensued...
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If he had mental issues that makes this even more tragic, but where was his family. Why was he out alone in the public if he had these violent or emothional tendencies. We need to focus on the mental ill issue in this country. Many homeless people have mental illness, but it gets ignored in many states. It's cheaper to just let them live on the streets.
 
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sword said:
If he had mental issues that makes this even more tragic, but where was his family. Why was he out alone in the public if he had these violent or emothional tendencies. We need to focus on the mental ill issue in this country. Many homeless people have mental illness, but it gets ignored in illmany states. It's cheaper to just let them live on the streets.
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most of the homeless people in this country are mentally ill.... i know coz i work with them.. ...the familys of mentally ill people frequently abandon them to the streets because they can no longer deal with the problems they cause in the house... ....

and i believe the state leaves them out there because they know the average life span of someone once they hit the streets is only 3 years....they see them as a temporary problem that will solve iself in short time.....

whereas if they take the route most often supported by fundamentalists.... which is to lock them away out of sight and out of mind - then throw away the key.... .... they will live a few years longer than that... maybe even decades longer... .... but it will be a very expensive few years...

add to that the legal issues with locking up people who might be mentally ill but still oriented to name place and time... . and who have not committed any crimes.... ...and it;s left to places like new york and other liberal states to lock up only those who do commit crimes...

but the judges in those states will sit behind their benches and tell you that the mentally ill don;t know what they are doing when they commit crimes - and therefor cannot be held responsible.... so they let them go... ... (i can;t complain too much as i was a beneficiary of this philosophy once.... but in a very difference circumstance)
 
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sword said:
If he had mental issues that makes this even more tragic, but where was his family. Why was he out alone in the public if he had these violent or emothional tendencies. We need to focus on the mental ill issue in this country. Many homeless people have mental illness, but it gets ignored in many states. It's cheaper to just let them live on the streets.
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No doubt we have a serious mental health crisis in this country. That issue is complex, far too difficult to sort through in this format. What isn't near as difficult to parse is that Daniel Penny acted heroically and in a way that every decent human being hopes they would have the courage to do given the same unfortunate circumstances.
 
aleshanee said:
most of the homeless people in this country are mentally ill.... i know coz i work with them.. ...the familys of mentally ill people frequently abandon them to the streets because they can no longer deal with the problems they cause in the house... ....

and i believe the state leaves them out there because they know the average life span of someone once they hit the streets is only 3 years....they see them as a temporary problem that will solve iself in short time.....

whereas if they take the route most often supported by fundamentalists.... which is to lock them away out of sight and out of mind - then throw away the key.... .... they will live a few years longer than that... maybe even decades longer... .... but it will be a very expensive few years...

add to that the legal issues with locking up people who might be mentally ill but still oriented to name place and time... . and who have not committed any crimes.... ...and it;s left to places like new york and other liberal states to lock up only those who do commit crimes...

but the judges in those states will sit behind their benches and tell you that the mentally ill don;t know what they are doing when they commit crimes - and therefor cannot be held responsible.... so they let them go... ... (i can;t complain too much as i was a beneficiary of this philosophy once.... but in a very difference circumstance)
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I lean toward the institution model over the street model. The best situation is medication and treatment to allow them to be home or in a comunity group home setting, but when that is not an option a lrage hospital setting with treatment, meals and medication seems right. Closing all the institutions begain with the passage of the Community Mental Health Act of 1963. The CMHA passed as part of John F. Kennedy's New Frontier, established a system of community-based care (group homes), instead of institutional care, across the U.S. for people with mental illness. It was ammended several times and in the 1970 and 1980's most of the state run institutions nation wide were closed. Today only the facilities for the criminally insane are left. The options for the mentally ill today are Home, Group home, prison or the streets. The group home model has worked very well for patents with Down Syndrom or other non violent conditions. They provide a quality lifestyle in the community and provide a happy caring enviroment.
 
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