Can we learn from............

[RAIDER]

the books of those who have done wickedly?  On a recent thread someone spoke of throwing away the books of Joe Combs and Jack Schaap.  There is no doubt of the wickedness in which these men were involved.  Does that make all of their writings corrupt?  Is it a mental block which we cannot overcome when now reading their material?  What think ye, Hacker Nation?

 

[Walt]

the books of those who have done wickedly?  On a recent thread someone spoke of throwing away the books of Joe Combs and Jack Schaap.  There is no doubt of the wickedness in which these men were involved.  Does that make all of their writings corrupt?  Is it a mental block which we cannot overcome when now reading their material?  What think ye, Hacker Nation?

Good question.  I don't know how many books Jack Schaap wrote; I know that some were based on evil precepts out of his imagination instead of from Scripture.

I have heard that Mr Combs was a good teacher; I haven't seen any of his books.

Not having known either man personally, I don't feel as much of a sense of betrayal as a former student might, so I could read a book by them and be edified where others could not.

 

[RAIDER]

the books of those who have done wickedly?  On a recent thread someone spoke of throwing away the books of Joe Combs and Jack Schaap.  There is no doubt of the wickedness in which these men were involved.  Does that make all of their writings corrupt?  Is it a mental block which we cannot overcome when now reading their material?  What think ye, Hacker Nation?

Good question.  I don't know how many books Jack Schaap wrote; I know that some were based on evil precepts out of his imagination instead of from Scripture.

I have heard that Mr Combs was a good teacher; I haven't seen any of his books.

Not having known either man personally, I don't feel as much of a sense of betrayal as a former student might, so I could read a book by them and be edified where others could not.

Good points.  I had issues with Schaap's doctrine several years ago.  He may have some good, solid books, but I would have trouble reading them. 

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

Schaap and Combs could have written something good which could help someone. If nothing else, yes, I will use the term of not being able to get over a mental block. Their works are tainted.

I once heard the suggestion of let's give their works to someone who doesn't know them. Bad choice....... I wouldn't want anyone who does not know  of them to know of them.

Can we learn? Yes.
Can we learn elsewhere? Even more so. I go this route.

 

[LongGone]

Schaap and Combs could have written something good which could help someone. If nothing else, yes, I will use the term of not being able to get over a mental block. Their works are tainted.

I once heard the suggestion of let's give their works to someone who doesn't know them. Bad choice....... I wouldn't want anyone who does not know  of them to know of them.

Can we learn? Yes.
Can we learn elsewhere? Even more so. I go this route.

Agreed. There are only so good people to learn from why waste time on these two?

 

[sword]

Schaap and Combs could have written something good which could help someone. If nothing else, yes, I will use the term of not being able to get over a mental block. Their works are tainted.

I once heard the suggestion of let's give their works to someone who doesn't know them. Bad choice....... I wouldn't want anyone who does not know  of them to know of them.
Can we learn? Yes.
Can we learn elsewhere? Even more so. I go this route.

Agreed. There are only so good people to learn from why waste time on these two?

I agree with Long Gone.

If we had no other source of bible based books I may use their books and attempt to sort out the good from the bad. Since we have hundreds and hundreds of good biblical books available to us through Amazon why would you bother with authors who have fallen so greatly.

 

[RAIDER]

Schaap and Combs could have written something good which could help someone. If nothing else, yes, I will use the term of not being able to get over a mental block. Their works are tainted.

I once heard the suggestion of let's give their works to someone who doesn't know them. Bad choice....... I wouldn't want anyone who does not know  of them to know of them.

Can we learn? Yes.
Can we learn elsewhere? Even more so. I go this route.

Agreed. There are only so good people to learn from why waste time on these two?

This thread is not about "these two".  I just used them as examples. 

 

[16KJV11]

 

[RAIDER]

I have always loved his music.  I remember being at home from HAC for a summer.  I received a mailer from Swaggart offering several close out cassette tapes for $1.00 each.  I ordered all of them (I believe 10).  I received a phone call telling me that they only had 3 titles left.  The gal told me I could pick any other 7 that I wanted and they would send them to me in place of the ones that were sold out.  I've been a fan ever since! 

 

[WESLEY]

the books of those who have done wickedly?  On a recent thread someone spoke of throwing away the books of Joe Combs and Jack Schaap.  There is no doubt of the wickedness in which these men were involved.  Does that make all of their writings corrupt?  Is it a mental block which we cannot overcome when now reading their material?  What think ye, Hacker Nation?

you may find this sermon by Mark Bosje interesting  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X9fFO5Dggo

 

[TidesofTruth]

the books of those who have done wickedly?  On a recent thread someone spoke of throwing away the books of Joe Combs and Jack Schaap.  There is no doubt of the wickedness in which these men were involved.  Does that make all of their writings corrupt?  Is it a mental block which we cannot overcome when now reading their material?  What think ye, Hacker Nation?

you may find this sermon by Mark Bosje interesting  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X9fFO5Dggo

To Quote Myself:

. . .
I apologize for the letters written on behalf of the defense that I can only believe were made out of a sense of past friendship but not having yet appreciated the full wickedness that was purported and the detail of deviancy that seemed out of character of what we heard from the lips of Jack Schaap.  After further review of the details it makes it abundantly clear the full extent of the wickedness and the construction of a scheme to defraud a girl who was to be protected by those of us who portray ourselves with pure motivations and a desire to provide Godly guidance.

I cannot begin to express the gut wrenching sickness I felt as I read the prosecution report. It is not who I believe we are, what we teach and what we seek to be.  Not because there is anything good within us but because we believe that we are to be people who follow Jesus Christ, claim His name, tell the good news of His saving grace through His shed blood and try to do good work on His behalf. 

I love the people of First Baptist Church of Hammond.  I have been taught how to live a Godly life by many good Teachers and Sunday School Teachers from the time I was very young. I have been taught by many good pastors who have lived Godly lives.  I have been taught to be a good citizen, pay my bills on time, pray for our leaders and public servants and do good works in the community,.  Never were we taught to use God as a ticket to commit sin.  I have admired those who have reached out to the community and worked to help those in need.  I hurt deeply for our people and I hurt deeply for Christ.  I also hurt deeply for anyone who would use this as a reason to shun the God we believe in.  This is not a representation of Who God is nor Who Jesus Christ is and I would beg you to not allow this to cause you to reject Jesus Christ and what He did for all of us that we might be saved from our sin.

I humbly apologize and beg your forgiveness.

Just a member.

With an added yuck!

 

[Bruh]

the books of those who have done wickedly?  On a recent thread someone spoke of throwing away the books of Joe Combs and Jack Schaap.  There is no doubt of the wickedness in which these men were involved.  Does that make all of their writings corrupt?  Is it a mental block which we cannot overcome when now reading their material?  What think ye, Hacker Nation?

you may find this sermon by Mark Bosje interesting  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X9fFO5Dggo

"Dr. Schaap, I give my life to you."
"We broke almost every record under Dr. Schaap"
"Some of you came here just to be under Dr. Schaap's preaching"


Shaking my head.
With all sincerity, I really feel sorry for these people.

 

[brainisengaged]

{Ugh, that abhorrent monologue of Bosje's. I sat through it in person, and was incensed. What a great wake-up call that was.}

HOWEVER, back to the OP's question. I tend to believe that one should consider the source when one is trying to absorb life lessons or wisdom or knowledge...but how far should one go when considering the source? You CAN learn something from most anyone. But what if they are seriously flawed human beings? Wagner was a blatant anti-Semite but I still listen to and play his music...If we knew the entire thought life and belief system of every author, artist, entertainer...and could only listen to or learn from the ones whose belief system lined up completely with our own, the field would be rather too narrow, would it not?

I think it goes along with what someone said earlier in this thread...it kind of depends upon your level of personal association. I am not Jewish, so I find it easier to appreciate Wagner the artist while simultaneously excoriating him as a human being. But because I was personally affected by the whole JS debacle, I would never ever ever open a book by him or his ex-wife for any reason. Nope. Nope.  Someone else neutral to the situation might indeed feel differently.

 

[Twisted]

I watched part of the video that was posted and came to one conclusion:

I am so thankful I am no longer there.

 

[LongGone]

Schaap and Combs could have written something good which could help someone. If nothing else, yes, I will use the term of not being able to get over a mental block. Their works are tainted.

I once heard the suggestion of let's give their works to someone who doesn't know them. Bad choice....... I wouldn't want anyone who does not know  of them to know of them.

Can we learn? Yes.
Can we learn elsewhere? Even more so. I go this route.

Agreed. There are only so good people to learn from why waste time on these two?

This thread is not about "these two".  I just used them as examples.

The point is not just "these two".  We do not have enough time in our life to read every sincere and devout Christian author...why waste time reading or studying someone who life has exhibited the opposite of how a Christian should live?

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

Good question.  I don't know how many books Jack Schaap wrote; I know that some were based on evil precepts out of his imagination instead of from Scripture.

Evil precepts like his twisted views on ordinances such as Lord's Supper?

 

[Walt]

Good question.  I don't know how many books Jack Schaap wrote; I know that some were based on evil precepts out of his imagination instead of from Scripture.

Evil precepts like his twisted views on ordinances such as Lord's Supper?

Yes, he re-defined words to fit his twisted agenda... I was thinking of that and his teaching on money, specifically.