Bringin' home the bacon and fryin' it up in the pan.

[ALAYMAN]

Should women be permitted to serve their country in the military via active ground combat?

 

[Izdaari]

I think so, but what's that got to do with cooking bacon?

I like my bacon thick cut, fresh from the butcher counter. It just seems better overall than the packaged stuff, even though it doesn't keep as long. Less fat, less preservatives, more flavor. I favor either peppered or applewood smoked. I fry it 'til it's done, but not overdone.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I think so, but what's that got to do with cooking bacon?

I like my bacon thick cut, fresh from the butcher counter. It just seems better overall than the packaged stuff, even though it doesn't keep as long. Less fat, less preservatives, more flavor. I favor either peppered or applewood smoked. I fry it 'til it's done, but not overdone.

Well, the fact that you fry it til it's done, but not overdone, absolutely goes to prove how far you've compromised the art of fryin' bacon.  I bet you even like your eggs shakin', not stirred too.

 

[Castor Muscular]

Should women be permitted to serve their country in the military via active ground combat?

Would they have to wear pants?

 

[ALAYMAN]

Yes.

Why?

Would they have to wear pants?

The ones that displayed antinomian tendencies would have to do their tour in dresses.

 

[T-Bone]

As a veteran...I will have to say no!  Sorry, ladies there are just some things that the average woman cannot do physically.  Nor should those who are teh bearers of children be put in that situation.

 

[brianb]

It depends what is meant by ground combat. Any women can kill a man with a gun but hand to hand combat with a man who's 200+ lbs of muscle, not likely - nothing is fair in war. You can't choose who you get to fight against - most likely a woman would have to face a man especially in Muslim countries.

 

[Reformed Guy]

The PCA, my demonination, has a "Position Paper" on this issue.  In summary, it says--

. This Assembly declares it to be the biblical duty of man to defend woman and therefore condemns the use of women as military combatants, as well as any conscription of women into the Armed Services of the United States. Adopted
[/quote}

And we're not supposed to be the legalistic/fundy bunch.

I once pointed this bit of PCA history out to BASS during one of her mindless tirades, and she started shrieking incoherently.

 

[Timothy]

Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman must not wear men

 

[ALAYMAN]

As usual, the question changes.  It was "should they," not "Why should they?"

lol, you're such a goof.  This is a forum for discussion of issues.  Conversation as such, builds and allows for dialogue in the form of an exchange of ideas and opinions.  Tbone understood that, as did others who responded.  Why must you be so catty?

 

[ALAYMAN]

It depends what is meant by ground combat. Any women can kill a man with a gun but hand to hand combat with a man who's 200+ lbs of muscle, not likely - nothing is fair in war. You can't choose who you get to fight against - most likely a woman would have to face a man especially in Muslim countries.

Most arguments revolve around issues of stamina over a prolonged tour in the field, unknown effects on the body, or the issue of pregnancy, but there are also moral arguments, like the one Reformed Guy raised.  I find the moral argument compelling enough personally, but part of me says let 'em experience their feminist cravings and all the ramifications/consequences of it, sorta like how America chose Obama (and Israel chose Saul), now it's time to reap the fruit of such wrongheaded choices.

 

[Izdaari]

I think so, but what's that got to do with cooking bacon?

I like my bacon thick cut, fresh from the butcher counter. It just seems better overall than the packaged stuff, even though it doesn't keep as long. Less fat, less preservatives, more flavor. I favor either peppered or applewood smoked. I fry it 'til it's done, but not overdone.

Well, the fact that you fry it til it's done, but not overdone, absolutely goes to prove how far you've compromised the art of fryin' bacon.  I bet you even like your eggs shakin', not stirred too.

What's wrong with the way I cook bacon? That I don't burn it, or make it shrivel up?

And no, I don't cook eggs like James Bond's martinis (though I do like a good martini, very occasionally, preferably made with Bombay Sapphire). I fry them over easy or over hard, or an omelet or scramble, depending. The omelets and scrambles will often have sauteed onions, 'shrooms, and some kind of shredded cheese. When I share them, I get lots of compliments on them.

 

[Biker]

As usual, the question changes.  It was "should they," not "Why should they?"

porch lights are on but nobody's home!

 

[Biker]

Should women be permitted to serve their country in the military via active ground combat?

The old covenant has women & males under 20 yrs  disqualified from serving in active combat.

"And the children of Reuben, Israel's eldest son, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, by their polls, every male from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war[/u]; those who were numbered of the tribe of Reuben were forty-six thousand five hundred. Numbers 1:20-21

Nothing appears to have changed with the New Covenant

"Suffer hardship with me as a good Soldier of Christ Jesus.
No Soldier in active duty entangles himself in the affairs of daily life; that he may please him who has enlisted him as Soldier.
And if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules" 2Tim 2: 3-5
3 things to note ^^
- Combat instruction takes place within the context of Male to Male (Apostle Paul) to (Timothy).
-  All 5 references masculine -himself, he, him, he,& he
- The prize is something won at athletic competitions and here it acts as a metaphor here for eternal life.

All females are to be under the headship of their father, husband or a close relative (preferably) for their own protection.
A female in combat opposes this

 

[Izdaari]

Right, Biker, but...

The US government doesn't run according to biblical law, either OT on NT. As that's as it should be. This is a pluralistic constitutional republic, arguably deistic as founded, but definitely not officially Christian or Jewish.

 

[Biker]

Right, Biker, but...

The US government doesn't run according to biblical law, either OT on NT. As that's as it should be. This is a pluralistic constitutional republic, arguably deistic as founded, but definitely not officially Christian or Jewish.

??

This is a christian debate forum so accordingly, I replied with what I believe scripture says about the topic.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Right, Biker, but...

The US government doesn't run according to biblical law, either OT on NT. As that's as it should be. This is a pluralistic constitutional republic, arguably deistic as founded, but definitely not officially Christian or Jewish.

The foundation of our law and public policy is/was greatly influenced by our Judeo-Christian ethics and heritage.  Of course our laws depart in various and sundry places from sound Christian ethics, abortion being a case in point.  Such anomalies shouldn't dissuade us from making proper ethical/moral arguments based in a Christian worldview, for many different issues, from euthanasia to en vitro fertilization. 

Another argument against women in combat that seems worthy of consideration is that men intuitively respond in battle situations to risk their lives to protect their female counterpart in ways that they don't normally do in situations where it is nothing but men surrounding them in battle.

 

[rsc2a]

Right, Biker, but...

The US government doesn't run according to biblical law, either OT on NT. As that's as it should be. This is a pluralistic constitutional republic, arguably deistic as founded, but definitely not officially Christian or Jewish.

The foundation of our law and public policy is/was greatly influenced by our Judeo-Christian ethics and heritage. 

The foundation of our laws was influenced more by the writings of John Locke than John the Apostle.

[quote author=ALAYMAN]Of course our laws depart in various and sundry places from sound Christian ethics, abortion being a case in point.  Such anomalies shouldn't dissuade us from making proper ethical/moral arguments based in a Christian worldview, for many different issues, from euthanasia to en vitro fertilization.  [/quote]

You have my agreement here. (Although you never have explained why you think IVF is a moral evil...a position I cannot understand at all.)

 

[Izdaari]

Right, Biker, but...

The US government doesn't run according to biblical law, either OT on NT. As that's as it should be. This is a pluralistic constitutional republic, arguably deistic as founded, but definitely not officially Christian or Jewish.

??

This is a christian debate forum so accordingly, I replied with what I believe scripture says about the topic.

Well, of course it is, and we are all Christians here. But when we're talking politics, we're talking about something that happens out in the mostly non-Christian world, which we do need to bear in mind.

 

[Izdaari]

Should women be permitted to serve their country in the military via active ground combat?

The old covenant has women & males under 20 yrs  disqualified from serving in active combat.

"And the children of Reuben, Israel's eldest son, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, by their polls, every male from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war[/u]; those who were numbered of the tribe of Reuben were forty-six thousand five hundred. Numbers 1:20-21

Nothing appears to have changed with the New Covenant

"Suffer hardship with me as a good Soldier of Christ Jesus.
No Soldier in active duty entangles himself in the affairs of daily life; that he may please him who has enlisted him as Soldier.
And if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules" 2Tim 2: 3-5
3 things to note ^^
- Combat instruction takes place within the context of Male to Male (Apostle Paul) to (Timothy).
-  All 5 references masculine -himself, he, him, he,& he
- The prize is something won at athletic competitions and here it acts as a metaphor here for eternal life.

All females are to be under the headship of their father, husband or a close relative (preferably) for their own protection.
A female in combat opposes this

One more thing: God didn't make a mistake in giving these rules to an Ancient Middle Eastern patriarchal society. But that's who they were given to. He gave them what they needed in their cultural context... but that's a whole lot different than where we are today.

Women today do NOT need to be under the headship of any male. It remains true that MOST women are not suited for ground combat duty. But we aren't talking about most, only those who volunteer and qualify; i.e., those who have the desire, and who then prove they have the will and the ability.