I have often read with humorous interest the counterplay between such as Will Kinney, Steven Avery, and Herb Evans against the Bible un-believers on these various boards. There the accusations are often made by your side that they are verbose, repetitive, etc. That is because, unlike you guys, their documentation and arguments do not change so much over time and often have overwhelming evidence in support of their conclusions. But I have never noticed them back away from fights on the text, especially from such a disaster with a billboard testimony of overthrown faith and shipwreck like yourself.
christundivided said:
Will Kenney is a chronic exaggerator. His references in the article are questionable. For example, he says the verse is present in the Syriac and Ethiopian copies and that is a lie. He also fails to mention the fact that the verse is missing in several Beza texts as well.
I like Bro. Kinney's articles because they are so very well documented, making sources easy to find. Unlike the sweeping statements of many of you antagonistic to an inspired and preserved Bible, he makes detailed and supported statements so that many who have attempted to tilt with him have left the field in disgrace, muttering their curses.
The problem with you guys is that you are GTo (Greek Text Only). The LORD gave His word in several different languages in the "originals" and has preserved it in other places besides Greek. What? Don't you realize that just like Greek, the other language versions contain more than one manuscript? You claim that the Syriac Peshitta does not contain the verse and Will Kinney lies. However, the 1905 Peshitta text published by the British and Foreign Bible Society does contain it! You can verify this yourself at the
Unbound Bible where you can see it in its own original Arabic script from right to left on a page. Also the translations of Dr. George Lamsa and Dr. James Murdock contain the verse. See that for yourself here at
The Peshitta New Testament Site.
Lamsa: Acts 8:37 - And Philip said, If you believe with all your heart, you may. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Murdock: Acts 8:37 - [And Philip said: If thou believest with all thy heart, it is allowable. And he answered, and said: I believe that Jesus Messiah is the Son of God.]
So we see that Will Kinney did not lie, but rather you have lied about Will Kinney. I believe you owe that dear brother an apology for your false witness. His email address is on his site. Will you send him a note of apology? No, you will not. Because to your kind, Bible admonitions about resolving such offenses against our brethren lack authority, unlike with we Bible believers. So you join the other anti-Bible crew such as Bob Griffin, Tom Cassidy, Ransom and this admin who refuse to ever acknowledge their own wrongs, even when proven, but will persistently demand an apology when they feel wrongly offended. It all goes back to how the Bible is perceived -- as merely a theological textbook of philosophical recommendations or divine revelation to be followed. Like our Lord said, "Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition."
christundivided said:
The entire article is based on the premise of the verse being removed and not simply added as a means to harmonize the event with later accounts of various conversions.
Correct. The entire article is a defense of the scriptures, justifying its inclusion in the Greek texts from which most of our early English translations have taken it. It is not Will's responsibility to make YOUR case for you, you have enough heretics doing that already.
christundivided said:
The quotes from Ireananus and others.... does nothing more than place this as a early variant.
FSSL said:
Will Kinney constantly "proves" the KJV with: "the early church Fathers... Rabbi Rosenburg says... the Talmud... the Old Latin Vulgate... Rabbi David Kimchi says..."
Not too persuasive!
The topic of this thread is regarding the HF Majority text. You guys love to argue against most TR verses as textual variants based on your "oldest and best manuscripts." The problem here is that the early church fathers all with one voice give witness to Acts 8:37 being in the original hundreds of years before the very oldest of your Greek-only manuscripts! Oh, yeah. I know what the word "
hypocrite" means. You and FSSL are poster children for that.
