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Is this for real?
Indifference engine said:
Yes. As hard as it is to believe, blowhard IFB preachers pump themselves up with an honorary doctorate and then use the title in every reference to themselves. I have a hard time believing it to too.
Incredibly, almost every reference to Jack Hyles on this forum refers to him as Dr. Hyles.
I am a bit leary of clicking the link for a list of Dr. recipients or the application.
If you did click on the link you would see:
The Independent
Institute of Advanced Degrees
is a
JOKE
Our First Graduating Class!
and so are YOU if you believe an Honorary Doctorate,
or a so-called Earned Doctorate from a Diploma Mill, makes you a real Doctor !
Did our little put-on appeal to your pride and ego?
Were you secretly hoping there was a way you could easily get a Doctorate?
It is deception, fraud, and dishonest for someone to pretend they are something they are not.
...Provide things honest in the sight of all men. (Rom 12:17)
Let us walk honestly.... (Rom 13:13)
Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men. (2Co 8:21)
That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without.... (1Th 4:12)
Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles:... (1Pe 2:12)
For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. (Gal 6:3)
If the world recognizes this, WHY CAN'T YOU?
...for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. (Luk 16:8)
Why do you give those of the world reason to MOCK Fundamentalism because of your phony Doctorate?
That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing. (1Th 4:12 AV)
Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. (Col 4:5)
Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation. (1Pe 2:12)
Why do you flatter yourself with what you know to be at its very best a half-truth?
He that speaketh flattery to his friends, even the eyes of his children shall fail. (Job 17:5)
Let me not, I pray you, accept any man's person, neither let me give flattering titles unto man. For I know not to give flattering titles; in so doing my maker would soon take me away. (Job 32:21-22)
The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: (Psa 12:3)
For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. (Psa 36:2)
What has possessed you to boast of something you do not have and did not earn?
Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. (Pro 25:14)
For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody.... (Act 5:36)
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, (Rom 1:30)
But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you. (2Co 10:13)
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, (2Ti 3:2)
Do you not realize covetousness is a grave sin in the sight of God?
Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens: (Exo 18:21)
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth. (Psa 10:3)
And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. (Luk 12:15)
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: (Col 3:5)
Are you so filled with pride and ego that you cannot see the error?
The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee... (Oba 1:3)
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. (Pro 16:18)
...men of high degree are a lie... (Psa 62:9)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. (1Ti 3:6)
Do you actually believe your fraud is not deception and does no harm?
When your author was first saved in 1980 he was a neophyte and ignorant of the most simple things concerning the Scriptures and Christians. He read everything he could get his hands on trying to learn. Eventually he began reading Fundamentalist literature (he was raised a Methodist) and took note of the Doctors who authored some of the works. The neophyte actually believed they were Doctors by gaining the academic education. They used the prefix "Dr." before their name freely and openly. The poor simpleton did not then realize he was being deceived by some of these authors before he even opened their books.
A few years later he learned of the Fundamentalist concept of the Honorary Doctorate and realized how he had been hoodwinked by the very people who claimed they were revealing the truth. This revelation had a negative effect on the once neophyte. He began to think Fundamentalism was a sham like all the others.
One glaring difference between the modernistic Mainline denominations (including the Roman Catholics) is they will not partake in such fraud in spite of their obvious error and weaknesses. How many times have your heard a Methodist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Lutheran, or even a Reformed minister claim he is a Doctor or allow others to call him such when he did not have an EARNED Doctorate? Can you name some? Yet among the Independent Baptists it a common occurrence. This is a tragedy. Are there no leaders in Fundamentalism that will take a stand for truth and honesty or are they all too busy receiving their phony doctorates? Fundamentalism is regarded by the world the same as Charismatics and "Christian Kooks" in this pretense.
This is a reproach against Fundamentalism. When someone challenges the integrity and honesty of a minister who parades a fake doctorate to your author, he must agree with them. The Fundamentalist a may have large, "successful" ministry and have done a considerable amount of good, but in at least this one respect, their pride and conceit are revealed and counteract all the good in the mind of the lost and many saved. Yes, there is much harm done.
Here is a list of some in the secular world who hold Honorary Doctorates. The list is filled with vain and egocentric people, but almost none of these have the unmitigated gall to seriously consider themselves a Doctor. Not even jailbird Mike Tyson. They know they would be a laughing stock. Ah, but give one to a Fundamental Baptist Preacher and he will run with it. What a sickening shame.
Response to Preachers and Honorary Doctorates Article
Some of the most caustic, acrid, flesh inspired letters we have received have been in response to a little article that was one of our first Taboo Topics. Your author wrote Preachers and Honorary Doctorates as a response to the great surge of preachers seeking these phony diplomas so they can be a "doctor." This practice is a blight on the face of Christianity. Christ hit very close to the motive of this practice with His words, "[They] love the upperemost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in synagogues and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi [Doctor, Doctor]" (Matt. 23:6-7), but these words seem to have no affect on their actions.
Once while doing a little more research on these phony doctorates we stumbled upon a website that clearly showed the harm this dishonest, deceptive practice is causing. Many of you are probably familiar with Walter Martin and his book "Kingdom of the Cults." We have had the book for years and it is a good reference on cults and their doctrines. However, someone was using some of Martin's material to confront some Mormons and their satanic cult and a Mormon apologist learned that Martin's degrees were honorary or "bought." [Martin claims to have gotten his "doctorate" from California Western University, but we can find no reference that such a school exists on the Internet.] This destroyed Martin's credibility, not only among some Mormons who may have been considering his words but others. Do you know what is really sad? These deceived Mormons who believe Christ and Lucifer are brothers and other outrageous heresies can clearly see the ethical deception promoted by Fundamentalist preachers and "scholars" in tauting their phony degrees! Look at some of the words of this Mormon which can be found in its entirety here.
"Let me say, that along with some Christians, I too am quite displeased, and in fact rather mad at the unethical behavior of the likes of Walter Martin, and Dee Jay Nelson among others for merely buying their degrees and bragging they have the legitimate goods...
The vaunted arrogance of simply buying a degree in lieu of actually doing the legitimate work necessary to have the accurate and honest knowledge is sad to me. I am supposed to be persuaded by those who unethically use that degree as some sort of authority to clobber my religion which I love....
If you Christians were sincerely trying to convert we Mormons, you could not, you would know without question that you would not do so by resorting to quoting and defending unethical Christian leaders who lie and cheat. If they lie and cheat in this degree business, they do so with what they write also."
It is a sad day when cultic Mormons have a better grasp of ethics, personal integrity, and morality than many born again Fundamentalist ministers. A very sad day.
Honorary and phony "earned" doctorates are easy to obtain. We have received several emails offering to give us a Ph.D "earned" by "life experience" for a fee. If a minister can't find a preacher-buddy who will give him one for free, he can always buy one of these. Click on this link to see what the World Net Daily, a conservative news site, has to say about phony degrees among government workers. They are a joke to the world, to the lost, and to cults, but they are as serious as the cross to many Baptists and Fundamentalists. There is no need to bring such pretense, deception, and reproach upon the work and ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ. No need except to feed the bloated egos of those like ...Diotrephes who loveth to have the preeminence (3 John 9).
Final Thoughts
Exposing the honorary doctorate deception among a growing number of Fundamentalist preachers has opened up a can of worms for us to say the least. We have received letters, phone calls, and emails expressing "concern" over my treatment of this issue. One preacher with an honorary doctorate from an unknown "institute" began to openly identify his "doctorate" as honorary. Good. Another said he did not want to put his "degrees" after his name anymore after reading the article and realizing it could cause an ethical problem. Better. But others wish to cling to their beloved "doctorate" with a passion. They don't worry about the harm their self-serving tactics may bring to the cause of Christ, their main worry is their secret may be exposed by a "nobody from nowhere" like us. So be it.
Think for a minute, brother. What does your Honorary Doctorate benefit but your pride and ego? Regardless of what you may think, it is of no benefit to your ministry (though that may be an excuse you used to get it); it is of no benefit to your congregation (the prudent will realize it is worthless); and it is fraud and deception to the lost (thus irrepairably damaging your evangelistic ministry). Why would any rational minister want something that is such a hindrance and can bring nothing but reproach upon the name of his Savior? When pride cometh, then cometh shame... (Pro 11:2)
The Bible teaches that pride deceives the heart (Jer 49:16), hardens the mind (Dan 5:20), brings contention (Pro 13:10), compasses about like a chain (Psa 73:6), and brings men to destruction (Pro 16:18). Do you think you are immune?
Fundamentalist Preacher, if you have an Honorary Doctorate, fine. But, please, for the sake of Christ and His ministry and for the sake of truth and honesty, don't pretend your honor is a true doctorate. You bring a reproach upon the work of Christ if you do. Just hang the diploma in your study, treating it as the novelty it is, and go on with your ministry. Don't let your ministry be marked with deception and pretense by calling yourself a doctor, because sooner or later, you will be exposed.
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD. (Jer 9:23-24)
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The Independent
Institute of Advanced Degrees
is a
JOKE
Our First Graduating Class!
and so are YOU if you believe an Honorary Doctorate,
or a so-called Earned Doctorate from a Diploma Mill, makes you a real Doctor !
Did our little put-on appeal to your pride and ego?
Were you secretly hoping there was a way you could easily get a Doctorate?
It is deception, fraud, and dishonest for someone to pretend they are something they are not.
...Provide things honest in the sight of all men. (Rom 12:17)
Let us walk honestly.... (Rom 13:13)
Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men. (2Co 8:21)
That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without.... (1Th 4:12)
Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles:... (1Pe 2:12)
For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. (Gal 6:3)
If the world recognizes this, WHY CAN'T YOU?
...for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. (Luk 16:8)
Why do you give those of the world reason to MOCK Fundamentalism because of your phony Doctorate?
That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing. (1Th 4:12 AV)
Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. (Col 4:5)
Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation. (1Pe 2:12)
Why do you flatter yourself with what you know to be at its very best a half-truth?
He that speaketh flattery to his friends, even the eyes of his children shall fail. (Job 17:5)
Let me not, I pray you, accept any man's person, neither let me give flattering titles unto man. For I know not to give flattering titles; in so doing my maker would soon take me away. (Job 32:21-22)
The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: (Psa 12:3)
For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. (Psa 36:2)
What has possessed you to boast of something you do not have and did not earn?
Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. (Pro 25:14)
For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody.... (Act 5:36)
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, (Rom 1:30)
But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you. (2Co 10:13)
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, (2Ti 3:2)
Do you not realize covetousness is a grave sin in the sight of God?
Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens: (Exo 18:21)
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth. (Psa 10:3)
And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. (Luk 12:15)
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: (Col 3:5)
Are you so filled with pride and ego that you cannot see the error?
The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee... (Oba 1:3)
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. (Pro 16:18)
...men of high degree are a lie... (Psa 62:9)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. (1Ti 3:6)
Do you actually believe your fraud is not deception and does no harm?
When your author was first saved in 1980 he was a neophyte and ignorant of the most simple things concerning the Scriptures and Christians. He read everything he could get his hands on trying to learn. Eventually he began reading Fundamentalist literature (he was raised a Methodist) and took note of the Doctors who authored some of the works. The neophyte actually believed they were Doctors by gaining the academic education. They used the prefix "Dr." before their name freely and openly. The poor simpleton did not then realize he was being deceived by some of these authors before he even opened their books.
A few years later he learned of the Fundamentalist concept of the Honorary Doctorate and realized how he had been hoodwinked by the very people who claimed they were revealing the truth. This revelation had a negative effect on the once neophyte. He began to think Fundamentalism was a sham like all the others.
One glaring difference between the modernistic Mainline denominations (including the Roman Catholics) is they will not partake in such fraud in spite of their obvious error and weaknesses. How many times have your heard a Methodist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Lutheran, or even a Reformed minister claim he is a Doctor or allow others to call him such when he did not have an EARNED Doctorate? Can you name some? Yet among the Independent Baptists it a common occurrence. This is a tragedy. Are there no leaders in Fundamentalism that will take a stand for truth and honesty or are they all too busy receiving their phony doctorates? Fundamentalism is regarded by the world the same as Charismatics and "Christian Kooks" in this pretense.
This is a reproach against Fundamentalism. When someone challenges the integrity and honesty of a minister who parades a fake doctorate to your author, he must agree with them. The Fundamentalist a may have large, "successful" ministry and have done a considerable amount of good, but in at least this one respect, their pride and conceit are revealed and counteract all the good in the mind of the lost and many saved. Yes, there is much harm done.
Here is a list of some in the secular world who hold Honorary Doctorates. The list is filled with vain and egocentric people, but almost none of these have the unmitigated gall to seriously consider themselves a Doctor. Not even jailbird Mike Tyson. They know they would be a laughing stock. Ah, but give one to a Fundamental Baptist Preacher and he will run with it. What a sickening shame.
Response to Preachers and Honorary Doctorates Article
Some of the most caustic, acrid, flesh inspired letters we have received have been in response to a little article that was one of our first Taboo Topics. Your author wrote Preachers and Honorary Doctorates as a response to the great surge of preachers seeking these phony diplomas so they can be a "doctor." This practice is a blight on the face of Christianity. Christ hit very close to the motive of this practice with His words, "[They] love the upperemost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in synagogues and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi [Doctor, Doctor]" (Matt. 23:6-7), but these words seem to have no affect on their actions.
Once while doing a little more research on these phony doctorates we stumbled upon a website that clearly showed the harm this dishonest, deceptive practice is causing. Many of you are probably familiar with Walter Martin and his book "Kingdom of the Cults." We have had the book for years and it is a good reference on cults and their doctrines. However, someone was using some of Martin's material to confront some Mormons and their satanic cult and a Mormon apologist learned that Martin's degrees were honorary or "bought." [Martin claims to have gotten his "doctorate" from California Western University, but we can find no reference that such a school exists on the Internet.] This destroyed Martin's credibility, not only among some Mormons who may have been considering his words but others. Do you know what is really sad? These deceived Mormons who believe Christ and Lucifer are brothers and other outrageous heresies can clearly see the ethical deception promoted by Fundamentalist preachers and "scholars" in tauting their phony degrees! Look at some of the words of this Mormon which can be found in its entirety here.
"Let me say, that along with some Christians, I too am quite displeased, and in fact rather mad at the unethical behavior of the likes of Walter Martin, and Dee Jay Nelson among others for merely buying their degrees and bragging they have the legitimate goods...
The vaunted arrogance of simply buying a degree in lieu of actually doing the legitimate work necessary to have the accurate and honest knowledge is sad to me. I am supposed to be persuaded by those who unethically use that degree as some sort of authority to clobber my religion which I love....
If you Christians were sincerely trying to convert we Mormons, you could not, you would know without question that you would not do so by resorting to quoting and defending unethical Christian leaders who lie and cheat. If they lie and cheat in this degree business, they do so with what they write also."
It is a sad day when cultic Mormons have a better grasp of ethics, personal integrity, and morality than many born again Fundamentalist ministers. A very sad day.
Honorary and phony "earned" doctorates are easy to obtain. We have received several emails offering to give us a Ph.D "earned" by "life experience" for a fee. If a minister can't find a preacher-buddy who will give him one for free, he can always buy one of these. Click on this link to see what the World Net Daily, a conservative news site, has to say about phony degrees among government workers. They are a joke to the world, to the lost, and to cults, but they are as serious as the cross to many Baptists and Fundamentalists. There is no need to bring such pretense, deception, and reproach upon the work and ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ. No need except to feed the bloated egos of those like ...Diotrephes who loveth to have the preeminence (3 John 9).
Final Thoughts
Exposing the honorary doctorate deception among a growing number of Fundamentalist preachers has opened up a can of worms for us to say the least. We have received letters, phone calls, and emails expressing "concern" over my treatment of this issue. One preacher with an honorary doctorate from an unknown "institute" began to openly identify his "doctorate" as honorary. Good. Another said he did not want to put his "degrees" after his name anymore after reading the article and realizing it could cause an ethical problem. Better. But others wish to cling to their beloved "doctorate" with a passion. They don't worry about the harm their self-serving tactics may bring to the cause of Christ, their main worry is their secret may be exposed by a "nobody from nowhere" like us. So be it.
Think for a minute, brother. What does your Honorary Doctorate benefit but your pride and ego? Regardless of what you may think, it is of no benefit to your ministry (though that may be an excuse you used to get it); it is of no benefit to your congregation (the prudent will realize it is worthless); and it is fraud and deception to the lost (thus irrepairably damaging your evangelistic ministry). Why would any rational minister want something that is such a hindrance and can bring nothing but reproach upon the name of his Savior? When pride cometh, then cometh shame... (Pro 11:2)
The Bible teaches that pride deceives the heart (Jer 49:16), hardens the mind (Dan 5:20), brings contention (Pro 13:10), compasses about like a chain (Psa 73:6), and brings men to destruction (Pro 16:18). Do you think you are immune?
Fundamentalist Preacher, if you have an Honorary Doctorate, fine. But, please, for the sake of Christ and His ministry and for the sake of truth and honesty, don't pretend your honor is a true doctorate. You bring a reproach upon the work of Christ if you do. Just hang the diploma in your study, treating it as the novelty it is, and go on with your ministry. Don't let your ministry be marked with deception and pretense by calling yourself a doctor, because sooner or later, you will be exposed.
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD. (Jer 9:23-24)
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