Not funny but true memes.

[Ransom]

Identify the false statement(s) in the following. Here's a hint: One of them is a premise oft posed by closet libs to look fair and impartial.

I would say #1 is half true. God does indeed sometimes work through Providence and back-room politics instead of spectacular miracles, which was the point of Elijah's encounter with God's "still small voice" in the mountains:

And the Lord said to him, “Go, return on your way to the wilderness of Damascus. And when you arrive, you shall anoint Hazael to be king over Syria. 16 And Jehu the son of Nimshi you shall anoint to be king over Israel, and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah you shall anoint to be prophet in your place. (1 Kings 19:15-16)​

Elijah's spectacular showdown with the prophets of Baal dealt a decisive blow to the false gods, but hadn't done much to affect the politics of the land. Ahab and Jezebel were still ruling. But sometimes God smashes the rocks, and sometimes he works by putting the right men in place.

 

[subllibrm]

While I probably agree with much of this (2,3,6,7 for sure) to some degree, there's a lot of ambiguity in the rhetoric employed on several of them. I'll take just one, #9 as an example. What is the alternative implied in the statement "while accepting that other Christians will do the same"?

I would put it under disputable things. I give you grace to vote your conscience and you respond in kind. Maybe the worst part of the current situation is the many believers using political positions to judge the spirituality of other believers.

Before y’all jump in and say that I have been judging the spirituality of Trump supporters I will remind you that my focus has been on the ugliness of the rhetoric that has been adopted by many Christians. No judgement of their standing before God as His child. But I would be remiss if I were to ignore the promptings I have received from Him to speak out against His children using the world’s language and to point out how it damages their own testimonies.

To reiterate, I find nothing Godly in references to “black trannies” ad infinitum.

 

[aleshanee]

I would put it under disputable things. I give you grace to vote your conscience and you respond in kind. Maybe the worst part of the current situation is the many believers using political positions to judge the spirituality of other believers.

Before y’all jump in and say that I have been judging the spirituality of Trump supporters I will remind you that my focus has been on the ugliness of the rhetoric that has been adopted by many Christians. No judgement of their standing before God as His child. But I would be remiss if I were to ignore the promptings I have received from Him to speak out against His children using the world’s language and to point out how it damages their own testimonies.

To reiterate, I find nothing Godly in references to “black trannies” ad infinitum.

and now you are lying.... in your post named "does tone matter" you directly accused several forum members of being unchristian and immoral simply for supporting trump.. not for any rhetoric they repeated.... .... i called you out on it and you challenged me to show proof..... so i did.... i documented and linked to several posts where you did exactly what i said you did... . and you never answered me...... ... .... .....just like other liberal mouthpieces for the left you throw out false statements .... and when challenged you pretend to go deaf and act as if you never said anything...... ......just like your future president mamala does i might add... .... .......... ..is there anything genuine about you at all?........

 

[Ekklesian]

#4 is the guise. Power through oppression is certainly the goal for one party, and liberty for the people is the goal for the other. This is crystal clear to any genuine Christian with his eyes open. Closet libs are forced to concede the corruption of one, but want to mitigate it by saying it's to the same degree for any party.

Then they try to pacify the conservative, that is, the righteous caucus with the lie that the Christian has no place, or say in government, or that it is not a truly a service to Christ to be involved in the system of government with any nation. Or, as in the supposed guide here proffered by The Biden Mumble that Christ accepts the politics of all Christians equally. After all, it's in the service of Christ that one votes Democrat, and the other votes otherwise, as if it's the same as whether one drinks wine, or eats meat.

What vomit.

Politics are all about loving one's neighbor. One's politics are about when his neighbor may be justly deprived of life, liberty, or property. And you can bet your self-righteous little bung hole that Christ takes a deep interest that. He told us that Himself. Love for one's neighbor is a direct reflection of one's love for God. Loving God, and loving one's neighbor are the pegs upon which all the law and the prophets hang.

What devil would say otherwise? Well, the Biden Mumble quoted one.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

While I probably agree with much of this (2,3,6,7 for sure) to some degree, there's a lot of ambiguity in the rhetoric employed on several of them. I'll take just one, #9 as an example. What is the alternative implied in the statement "while accepting that other Christians will do the same"?

To me 2,3 & 6 are true statements.
The rest is an unclear list of drivel cloaked in progressive platitudes….built upon broad brush assumptions.

 

[aleshanee]

To me 2,3 & 6 are true statements.
The rest is an unclear list of drivel cloaked in progressive platitudes….built upon broad brush assumptions.

 

[Bruh]

Nor is any sinner capable of responding to the Holy Spirit.

Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

In this context Jesus is speaking to an adult, not an infant or a baby in the womb.

Not one place in scripture does anything speak to infants in the context only adults, that’s very clear no grey area.

You cannot assume who he’s speaking to when it’s very clear he’s speaking to adults.

 

[Ekklesian]

Not one place in scripture does anything speak to infants in the context only adults,

Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. - Ephesians 6:1

And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. - Acts 16:32

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. - 2 Timothy 3:15

 

[Ekklesian]

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

 

[Bruh]

Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. - Ephesians 6:1

And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. - Acts 16:32

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. - 2 Timothy 3:15

We’re discussing if God sends infants and or a baby in the womb to hell. None of the scriptures you quoted have anything to do with infants and or the unborn, in context.

 

[Ekklesian]

We’re discussing if God sends infants and or a baby in the womb to hell. None of the scriptures you quoted have anything to do with infants and or the unborn, in context.

Then you need to change the wording of your argument, because by any parsing of the syntax you've employed, your assertion is about to whom the Lord is speaking, and your argument is that He is only speaking to adults.

The Lord is speaking to whomever He gives ears to hear.

If you want to discuss the superstitious notions of infants in heaven or hell, this would be a better thread to do it in.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I would put it under disputable things. I give you grace to vote your conscience and you respond in kind. Maybe the worst part of the current situation is the many believers using political positions to judge the spirituality of other believers.

Before y’all jump in and say that I have been judging the spirituality of Trump supporters I will remind you that my focus has been on the ugliness of the rhetoric that has been adopted by many Christians. No judgement of their standing before God as His child. But I would be remiss if I were to ignore the promptings I have received from Him to speak out against His children using the world’s language and to point out how it damages their own testimonies.

To reiterate, I find nothing Godly in references to “black trannies” ad infinitum.

I have to admit that when I see a professed Christian advocate for abortion and/or LGBTQ agendas I do judge their spiritual condition. I don’t have any room in my tent for folk who call evil good. I’m a consistent fundamentalist in that regard. I don’t feel the need to demean them when conversing with them but grace extended to them means I will attempt to firmly and Biblically correct their ungodly notions.

 

[subllibrm]

I have to admit that when I see a professed Christian advocate for abortion and/or LGBTQ agendas I do judge their spiritual condition. I don’t have any room in my tent for folk who call evil good. I’m a consistent fundamentalist in that regard. I don’t feel the need to demean them when conversing with them but grace extended to them means I will attempt to firmly and Biblically correct their ungodly notions.

I do wonder how they can overlook so much of scripture to get to that conclusion.

 

[Bob Jones VI]

I do wonder how they can overlook so much of scripture to get to that conclusion.

For over 10 years, My wife and I invited my friend Duane and his wife Nina into our home for Christmas and Thanksgiving Dinner. They had no relatives in the area. Our sons played baseball together. We coached together. They were both strong conservative Bible Believing Christians. Then something snapped. She left him and accused him of abuse. He never struck her. Not once. She would never talk to me about what happened.

She moved to a more "progressive" mega church https://thedoor.org/ and began espousing openness to alternate lifestyles, more compassion for LGBTQ, less opposition to Abortion, and some really strange associations with Christian musical artists. (She plans the chapel service for a very large evangelical college/seminary locally) My wife spent a long time trying to reconcile with her, and it came down to this. She based almost all of her associations and decisions on the question of "Love." She is not an avid bible reader. She listens to her pastors, and little else. In my nind that is the issue. When you stray from personal, direct reading/study of the Scriptures, you get led astray.

 

[Ekklesian]

 

[subllibrm]

For over 10 years, My wife and I invited my friend Duane and his wife Nina into our home for Christmas and Thanksgiving Dinner. They had no relatives in the area. Our sons played baseball together. We coached together. They were both strong conservative Bible Believing Christians. Then something snapped. She left him and accused him of abuse. He never struck her. Not once. She would never talk to me about what happened.

She moved to a more "progressive" mega church https://thedoor.org/ and began espousing openness to alternate lifestyles, more compassion for LGBTQ, less opposition to Abortion, and some really strange associations with Christian musical artists. (She plans the chapel service for a very large evangelical college/seminary locally) My wife spent a long time trying to reconcile with her, and it came down to this. She based almost all of her associations and decisions on the question of "Love." She is not an avid bible reader. She listens to her pastors, and little else. In my nind that is the issue. When you stray from personal, direct reading/study of the Scriptures, you get led astray.

That is where “deconstructing” takes so many people.

 

[Ransom]

I do wonder how they can overlook so much of scripture to get to that conclusion.

My hypothesis is that over the last 30-40 years, homosexuality (and subsequently other "gender expressions," though they're really just gay by a different name) has become mainstream enough that now not only do we all know some gays, we rub shoulders with them frequently--professionally, socially, and so forth.

And we all see that they're not the weirdos or monsters that they used to be portrayed as in the media and entertainment.

Plus, there is no shortage right now of "affirming Christian" activists whose mission is to persuade us that the Bible is misunderstood when it comes to traditional teaching about sexuality.

Thus it's often a short step from "my gay friends and co-workers don't seem all that bad" to "well, maybe what the Bible says about LGBTQ people is wrong or misinterpreted." And so acceptance and affirmation becomes both the first step and the endgame of deconstruction.

Whereas I would say, "total depravity" doesn't necessarily mean "not nice," biblically speaking.

 

[Bruh]

Then you need to change the wording of your argument, because by any parsing of the syntax you've employed, your assertion is about to whom the Lord is speaking, and your argument is that He is only speaking to adults.

The Lord is speaking to whomever He gives ears to hear.

If you want to discuss the superstitious notions of infants in heaven or hell, this would be a better thread to do it in.

I thought it was a given, my bad.

 

[Ekklesian]